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  • in reply to: General Discussion #250234
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    in reply to: Plebgate #1851896
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    in reply to: General Discussion #250350
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    Recording of Royal Marines accused of murdering Taliban prisoner released. Can’t be bothered to get into the rights and wrongs of this, but anyway. Please note, lots of bad language.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/defence/10432095/Recording-of-Royal-Marines-accused-of-murdering-Taliban-prisoner-released.html

    in reply to: Royal Marines executed injured man #1851914
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    Recording of Royal Marines accused of murdering Taliban prisoner released. Can’t be bothered to get into the rights and wrongs of this, but anyway. Please note, lots of bad language.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/defence/10432095/Recording-of-Royal-Marines-accused-of-murdering-Taliban-prisoner-released.html

    in reply to: General Discussion #250913
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    When you sack the police officers, do you mean those who falsified evidence on the day as well as the 3 police federation officers who lied about what was said at a subsequent meeting with Mitchell, then lied to a Select Committee, plus the alleged officer who claimed to be a member of the public who witnessed the incident, plus the senior officers who, wrongly, changed the recommendations of an IPCC investigation into the incident????

    in reply to: Plebgate #1852537
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    When you sack the police officers, do you mean those who falsified evidence on the day as well as the 3 police federation officers who lied about what was said at a subsequent meeting with Mitchell, then lied to a Select Committee, plus the alleged officer who claimed to be a member of the public who witnessed the incident, plus the senior officers who, wrongly, changed the recommendations of an IPCC investigation into the incident????

    in reply to: General Discussion #251153
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    I said that I wouldn’t condone that.

    in reply to: Plebgate #1852700
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    I said that I wouldn’t condone that.

    in reply to: General Discussion #251162
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    So his resignation was justified. That’s what I thought.

    No Derekf. That is not what I said. He was told to go, before the full story came out of what is basically police corruption. He did not use the word “pleb”, so he says. In which case evidence has been falsified. Please read my other post about the “witness” that never was. And the police federation offices who lied. Bad language to police office is wrong and that I don’t condone. But police offices are not boys, no member of the public was distressed by the incident – that was falsified evidence. And an incident that should have been sorted by grown men, and women, has degenerated into one of the worse cases of police malpractice and lose of public confidence in the police for many years.
    If you think a man, any man, no matter how obnoxious, should loose their job based on falsified police evidence that that really is a sad state of affairs.

    in reply to: Plebgate #1852718
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    So his resignation was justified. That’s what I thought.

    No Derekf. That is not what I said. He was told to go, before the full story came out of what is basically police corruption. He did not use the word “pleb”, so he says. In which case evidence has been falsified. Please read my other post about the “witness” that never was. And the police federation offices who lied. Bad language to police office is wrong and that I don’t condone. But police offices are not boys, no member of the public was distressed by the incident – that was falsified evidence. And an incident that should have been sorted by grown men, and women, has degenerated into one of the worse cases of police malpractice and lose of public confidence in the police for many years.
    If you think a man, any man, no matter how obnoxious, should loose their job based on falsified police evidence that that really is a sad state of affairs.

    in reply to: General Discussion #251188
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    Mitchell resigned because, if I recall correctly, the Prime Minister told him to – this followed an investigation by the Cabinet Secretary. He’s never been completely blameless, he says he used bad language, just not said “Pleb”. this was before the full story had come out and the press were having a field day about Tory Toffs and the the Toffs calling people they considered beneath them “plebs”. So he went.

    in reply to: Plebgate #1852789
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    Mitchell resigned because, if I recall correctly, the Prime Minister told him to – this followed an investigation by the Cabinet Secretary. He’s never been completely blameless, he says he used bad language, just not said “Pleb”. this was before the full story had come out and the press were having a field day about Tory Toffs and the the Toffs calling people they considered beneath them “plebs”. So he went.

    in reply to: General Discussion #251305
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    Common sense should have dictated that the police should have just opened the gate.

    But this story just gets worse when officers from the Police Federation lied about what was said at a subsequent meeting with Mitchell. He could prove what was said, because he recorded the meeting. The Officers then lied to the Home Affairs Select Committee and the officers have had to make humbling apologies today to that same Committee. The real scandal is the fact that, no matter what you think of Mitchell, the police were able to bring down a senior member of the Government. A Government that is currently trying to change outdated police terms and conditions. Coincident?
    What hope for the rest of us?

    in reply to: Plebgate #1852828
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    Common sense should have dictated that the police should have just opened the gate.

    But this story just gets worse when officers from the Police Federation lied about what was said at a subsequent meeting with Mitchell. He could prove what was said, because he recorded the meeting. The Officers then lied to the Home Affairs Select Committee and the officers have had to make humbling apologies today to that same Committee. The real scandal is the fact that, no matter what you think of Mitchell, the police were able to bring down a senior member of the Government. A Government that is currently trying to change outdated police terms and conditions. Coincident?
    What hope for the rest of us?

    in reply to: General Discussion #251311
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    No crystal ball. Just the ability to read. It seems pretty obvious that if Mitchell had done as he was asked without resorting to abuse then whole affair would not have happened. Seems pretty obvious to everyone – except you of course.

    Well if you can read you will know that the issue is not the bad language but the incendiary use of the word “pleb”, which he has always denied using. And the fact that the police said that passing members of the public were “shocked” by the out burst, when CCTV revealed that there was no one passing the gates on the Whitehall side at the time and the fact that a “member of the public” made a complaint about the bad language when it turns out he was miles away at the time. And guess what his job is (allegedly)

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