Redreidy… You want to play it stupid ?

I will answer you ONCE, in hope it will help you to calm down. I really don’t care about having the last word.

Well if a typhoon pilot came out in the English press tomorrow and said i have participated in several A2A exercises against it he Rafale and it is a poor aircraft compared to the typhoon. Would you change your opinion based on this, no you would not!

And you blame us for judging without proof ? :rolleyes:
What do you know of our reaction ?

“If tomorrow a Typhoon pilot says Rafale is poor compared to Typhoon” : they did before they fight against it ! ! !
http://forum.keypublishing.co.uk/showpost.php?p=1145791&postcount=35

“Defence Analysis, June 2007, (PAGE 17 VOL 10 NO 6)
Of note is that RAF pilots, including some pretty senior ranks, have now flown Rafale. And without having to get picky, they don’t seem that impressed.

“Frightfully underpowered”, one such pilot told Defence Analysis. “We were struggling at 20,000 feet basically unladen. I wouldn’t want to be in Rafale at 15,000 feet and +30 degrees with a combat load!” The pilot went on to describe the cockpit and its layout as, “distinctly French”, which was not necessarily a major compliment, although some of the individual instruments he thought had been very well thought out. But overall Man-Machine Interface was, “not a patch on what we have in Typhoon.”

The main difference between this anti-French/Rafale piece of ****** and what was published 3 years later is that simulated dogfights and BVR hadn’t happen yet.

Would this be considered worthy proof of which aircraft was superior no it would not be?

Conflicting sources may discredit both.

This is the point which I don’t think you French posters seem to understand your French pilots have vested interest in your plane.

Ah ? We are idiots, with no culture.

The fact that no British, German, Italian or Spanish pilots come out talking about the results of exercises in which the information is not made public, for me only speaks of the professionalism of those pilots that these French pilots seem to lack.

German pilots talked. But not much, with NO DETAILS about the end result.

So, when DSI or A&C publish their interviews, this is only hearsay, propaganda, rumours or else ;
When our pilots speak, they lack professionalism…

Great.

yep, but neither side had anything concrete to hit the other round the head with eh? its all just hearsay, rumour and spin:)

That’s what you think.

I really don’t know what we can get which would be more concrete that pilots’ testimony, reported at several occasions (official press conference and private interview) by several newspapers not even all french.

Of course, we could have Typhoon pilots acknowledging that they lose to Rafale in A2A, but see my previous message, I don’t think Typhoon pilots would say : “to be honest in the A2A regime, Rafale kicks our botterm and this Typhoon isn’t worth the metal in its retractable refuelling probe….”

So, dear mrmalaya, please stop calling every sources which doesn’t feet your opinion “hearsay, rumour and spin”. 😉

I totally understand your reticence to accept it as truth, but please, wait something new, maybe French pilots will be disputed one day, who knows ?

Thanks, I edited my message accordingly.

How is it possible that people care more for GoldenP than for the nice conversation “cursed Quadbike” started ?:confused:

I want the Rafale to win, then again my favoruties never make it.

Oh, please, go side with Eurofighter, you cursed supporter ! Don’t mess with this one, pleeeeease !:D

Even here, Pedro Paulo Rezende said :

http://forum.keypublishing.co.uk/showthread.php?p=1612913#post1612913

To be truthful, the Indian Air Force Commander visited Brazil a few days ago and a lot of new info about Leh affair leaked. The first point is that IAF is still discussing Gripen participation. The RFI and RFP established that all tests must be conducted with the real bidders. The tests at Leh were conducted with Gripen C/D and Demo and both of them are not representative of NG. The Raven radar still is not completely operational.

According Indian officers, two planes failed: MiG35 and F/A-18E/F. Gripen Demo takes off with the required load (only two tanks, four air-to-air missiles and a cargo of 1900kg bombs). Typhoon and Rafale takes off with full cargo but EADS bidder failed at some attack missions

Would be interesting to learn more about the details where the Rafale scored better and why, but we may never learn more about it.

Pedro Paulo Rezende once said (I guess on this forum : http://defesabrasil.com/forum/ ):
-Rafale flew half of the sorties of the F/A-18E for exactly the same job, demonstrating its omnirole capability ;
-It could do everything the Indian wanted (only one other competitor could do so) ;
-Rafale enjoyed an unquantified superiority over the competitors in Leh, for example using half the runway distance needed by the S Hornet.

As per this link the Eurofighter placed higher than the Rafale in the IAF rankings

😀 Interesting. LoL