May 2006, n°15
As the news are reported in DSI, the Rafale were on air2ground sorties ONLY. (should i remember that DSI is the only french magazine capable of publishing an article comparing Typhoon and Rafale as you Jack would have done ! š ).However, they were each time capable to “clean the sky” ALONE (except, i agree, one Jaguar š ). This is what was reported. Only 2 Rafale were deployed.
It seems clear to me that only during air2ground missions, the Rafale could still achieve an excellent self-protection (and so the 2nd best kill-ratio), while being attacked by fighters (and maybe by SAMs) and being able to complete all their missions successfully (and probably one loss š against a poor and defenseless-looking Jaguar— Perfide Albion !).
On the other hand, if the fist kill ratio was obtained by F-15 or Typhoon, we know they were dedicated platforms, and the merit looks lower.
Was it the RAF Jaguars? I know they got some kills……:diablo:
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or was it Typhoon……?
Do you know something about that ? š
If it was Typhoon, at least, they didn’t dare facing our Rafales… :dev2:
In fact, it has already happened, but we have no result. (in March, when the CdG left France, the Rafale M F1 met the italian Typhoon)
Arthuro :
Just lacking some bread and sausage on the table with the red tablecloth. ![]()
LmRaptor :
what ended up with the best air-to-air kill ratio during TLP?
Maybe the USAF F-15s ? I don’t know.
Are Rafale Typhoon and Raptor heading for RF 2008?
If French pilots want to be faced to the Typhoon there, I hope they’re both heading for ! š
According to the magazine DSI,
During the last NATO TLP, the Rafale ended with the second best air-to-air kill ratio, while they were assigned to air-to-ground missions, wich impressed the F-15 pilots.
They also succeded in all their missions, being able to wipe the sky.
French pilots are very impatient to meet the Typhoon during Red Flag in early 2008, so as to demonstrate the capabilities of the best european fighter… š
It seems that they are still very provocative ! š š
I have my beautiful Air International (June 2007) near me… I’m happy ! š
Now, i can sleep deeply, as i know the truth…:D
Surprise is not the goal…
This is just a Rafale news thread. Everything new about the Rafale may be posted here.;)
Interceptions were conducted, but I don’t know wether it was against Rafale, or in team, against the Mirage F1CR…
I think that they practised the BVR against each other, but i’m not sure, as i actually don’t have the magazine.
Also I can’t quite make out what the following sentence is supposed to mean:
Nic
Rafale enjoies a fair edge at 30,000-35,000ft (high altitude), while Gripen pilots usually train at altitude between 60ft and 10,000ft.
Some updates :
-the gun should be qualified now (end of May), with air2air and air2ground modes;
-GBU-22 first firing at the begining of June, should be qualified for this summer;
-AASM to be operational on late 2007/early 2008.
-new software for Spectra, by June, to be delivered by the end of the year.
-Rear sector Mica firing (with Link 16 datalink)
-standard F3 for mid-2008
-OSF-NG for the begining of 2009 (it won’t wait 2012 it seems)
Also : during some training between Gripen and Mirage F1CR at Reims, the Gripen have faced Rafales from St Dizier.
Gripen pilots seem to have had a hard time against the Rafale because of the Mica IR (they didn’t know what the Rafale is able to do), but also because of the high excess power of the aircraft, even heavily loaded (the Rafale is definitely better at FL30-35, whereas the Gripen is used to 60ft-10,000ft).
Gripen pilots also praised the Rafale’s sensor fusion.
Or is the AASM no LGB, but an actual missile?
The AASM isn’t LGB.
It’s just a propulsion kit, very maneuverable, with a two guidance kit (INS+GPS).
It can be shot with 90° off-boresight, at range in excess of 15/50km depending on the altitude, and impact with a selectable angle.
The next stop consists in adding an IR imagery guidance kit (in addition to INS/GPS), maybe also a GPS/INS/Laser, and sometimes, it’s been said that Sagem is working on an EM guidance system (SEAD).
The AASM replaces the AS-30 (L) as a missile.
The AASM is a modular weapon developed by the Sagem Defence Company (SAFRAN Group). It consists of a guidance kit and a range-extender kit which can be fitted to in service (dumb) bomb bodies. The AASM confers on these an increased range and a high degree of accuracy.
The three qualification firings […] demonstrated a range in excess of 50 km from high altitude and 15 km from very low altitude
But 15 km from low level? How far can you toss an unpowered EPW?
And what’s the glide range of an EPW from 30,000 ft? Who is going to be at ‘very low level’ anyway?
I know that the GBU-24 can glide 50km too… For example. But the quote is “in excess”… That just remember me of the >250km spec for the Scalp (wich can fly 400km).
As for the 15km in low alt (1,500ft)… We don’t really know.
http://www.sagem-ds.com/fra/site.php?spage=03010710
According to this news, for the first time, a production (in service) Rafale has shot production AASM.
Several shots were conducted against independant targets at stand-off ranges, then 3 AASM were shot in salvos.
Every bomb hit with the expected accuracy. The qualification shots conducted with a Mirage 2000N already had demonstrated that range is above 50km at high altitude, and above 15km at low altitude.
The OSF allowed the pilot to check each impact, and to come back with footages for debriefing.
That’s quite simple : Dassault has always published the “10 ton class” for the 3 variants.
For years, magazines published the good old 9,060kg.
And now that it’s all official, we have the accurate 9,500kg, 9,720kg and 10,196kg figures published by the MoD and AdA.
Dassault still stick to the “10 ton class” (for the 3 variants).