So, we know/believe lots of stuff from the BoB went in the skip….Churchill, the mannequins….so what has happened or is planned for the stuff in the photos? The windscreen referred to earlier is shown. Hope they did not also skip the Ops Room? I would have given a home to it and many of the mannequins and other items including backdrops. Many museums would have loved this stuff too.
I know that some RAFM people watch this forum….so answers would be appreciated?
Obviously to late for stuff that has gone in the skip. Unless somebody knows where the skip went. lol
But seriously people have offered unwanted stuff a good home, why the hell has the RAFM not had the equivalent of a car boot sale, if not for the Museum its self but for RAF Charities ? As I say too late for stuff which has gone missing.
The fact that Hermes and Invincible are both gone would mean that Illustrious would at least be representative of the type of ship used. Very few of the Harrier’s toted around have a Falklands history, most not even being built in 1982, but that does not mean they can evoke memories of that conflict. Crying shame that Illustrious has not been preserved, so much could have been made of the history of Naval Aviation.
As has been mentioned as a tourist attraction it would have been unique outside of the USA where it seem the aircraft carriers are a successful attraction. I visited the USS Intrepid moored in New York harbour in March this year despite freezing temperatures, snow on the ground and a $26 admission the musuem was very busy. I expect 90% were not aircraft enthusiasts, guess the USA might have a different marketing plan but it certainly does work.
I too wish the museum well with its future plans, what ever they may be. Not exactly sure what the museum plans to do any extra land ?
At last a common sense outcome. Hope the FAAM can now be given the time to catalogue and prepare these items for future display.
Would be nice to see the Vampire F1 removed from the ‘gloom’ of the carrier deck exhibition, replaced by a Sea Venom, and displayed in conjunction Eric Brown’s collection.
means lack of floor space for museums struggling to build an extra building or two.
There is the most important point that the management has failed to address. With all this money available exactly what additional space or infrastructure has been added to either Hendon or Cosford inorder to display and interpret the story of the RAF ? If the management want to have kiddies play areas, cafe’s and interactive screens and slide shows great they can all be accommodated in simple, traditionally constructed or modular buildings at reasonable cost. Without the need to ‘re-purpose’ an existing hangar full of aircraft. If the management wants to engage the local population thats also great, then provide a meeting point, a restaurant, gallery space or lecture theatre, but allow it to be open beyond the standard museum hours and the local population might use it and hopefully the museum can make use of it as well.
I remember the very well attended annual model shows and book fairs once held within the museum, as Hendon is not interested in the additional admission such events generate, then one would like to think the would at least enjoy the additional foot fall. As an aside if a suitable events building had been constructed it would have been very easy to charge a admission to this area, a welcome income stream ?
Sorry that the family have not achieved the estimate (and reserve) value that they were advised of by the Auctioneers. Less worried that the Auctioneer has missed out of the buyers premium which, I think, would have been another £24,500. I may be wrong but I expect the family will still have to pay costs to the Auctioneer for listing despite not selling.
So were complaining that the auction house is making a profit? That’s the point! That’s how they make a profit, fund catalogues, overheads, wages, etc etc. That’s the price you pay for a decent shop widow.
The point I was trying to make was that without the Auctioneers costs both parties to a deal could have been satisfied. The family receiving a satisfactory cash sum and the National collection obtaining the items.
I can not remember where I read it, nor find the thread, but I think National Lottery fund was considered and has already been turned down to help purchase this collection.
Its going to be a hard decision if the FAAM musuem had say £250K to spend, should they buy the Eric Brown collection, which would most likely have to remain in secure storage because the museum has no safe place to display the items. Or spend the money on much needed building improvement and extension, so more of the aircraft can be properly displayed.
Excellent work !!!!
When in service how often would aircraft be dismantled like this. Just for road transport or major servicing ?
Also how were the Phantoms currently in museums or stored at Everret’s dismantled.
Assume less care was required as airframes were consider to be static display only ?
Have looked at the websites listed above but can somebody explain more clearly how donations can be made ?
I guess we all know the past history of donations 😡
If the Smithsonian has an ex FAA Avenger in store then could a deal / swap be arranged with something that the FAAM does have ? Does Smithsonian have a Swordfish ? How many Swordfish do the FAAM / Historic Flight have at least four I think ?
The IWM Duxford Avenger was taken out of the American Air Museum last year. Whilst I understand that airframe is not an original FAA aircraft is it a better representation than the FAAM current aircraft ?
No problem with the family selling these items. The real problem will be the auctioneers. Even if a National museum can collect enough cash to buy the collection the Auctioneers will happily hold out their hand for an extra 20% to 15% commission on top of the sale price, which the family will never see. The family will also be hit by the same Auctioneer deducting a similar % from the sale price. The only winner being the Auction house.
Would be great if the new owner of the log books could have them published.
Try explaining that to customs at Dover. lol.
Often email addresses shown on websites such as [email]info@xyz.co.uk[/email] or [email]admin@abc.com[/email] are never answered not because people dont care or want to use computers it is more likely they dont know they are there. Try using a personal email such as [email]john.smith@themuseum.com[/email] Once contact is made and you are in the loop, you will be fine. Not sure if using the telephone has been mentioned, you can always leave a message quoting your own email address as the preferred contact.
Also please remember dormant email addresses that do not get answered can sometimes be deleted by the service provider, examples might be [email]abc@virgin.com[/email] might have been cancelled if the user has left the Virgin network.
I know it is still the museums fault for not updating things, but these things happen.
Be a bit difficult to form up the signatory Diamond Nine with only five, and to give the Reds that many Typhoons the MoD would need to disband a squadron, wouldn’t they?
How come no one is putting up the Lightning II as a potential Arrow mount?;o)
If the Hawk T1’s are broken (but to expensive to fix), if there are not enough Hawk T2 for the Red Arrows, then using a smaller number of Typhoon could be the answer.
I understand the maths, but lets not forget the older Typhoons are already in storage, ie they are surplus and only required as replacement for loses at squadron level, problem is they are an older specification so would require expensive upgrade for front line use. Maintaining five additional Typhoons for the Red Arrows suddenly does not look so expensive. Obviously the cost per flying hour is greater than the Hawk, answer is simply to reduce flying hours and the number of events attended. Sadly the ‘big show’ and diamond nine loops and rolls would be a thing of the past, more likely a solo display by Red 1, a few synchro pair passes with a couple of four ship passes.
One further advantage of using four Typhoons for the Red Arrows is that it would allow the rest of the ‘standard’ squadron Typhoon pilots to joint in for Royal events, trooping the colour etc as required.
Sorry Agent K. Did not intend to edit your quote, rather answering its two parts. Previous post has be edited.