CADmanWhere is she being scraped, Turkey I think. Why the heck can not she have been reduced to scrap in this country ? We used to build the best ships in the world now we can not even take them to bits. Utter madness.
Totally agree that a carrier should have been preserved in the UK, they are big enough not just for aircraft but if presented correctly any form of transport, science or technology could be displayed. If I remember correctly is there a plan to have a floating pontoon on the Thames next to the the London Eye with a “Best of British” theme including the Heathrow Concorde. Invicible in long gone but Ark Royal is now retired and Illustrious is due out of service in a couple of years. Surely the Ark could be moored on the Thames at Greenwich and become an attraction.
CADmanWhere is she being scraped, Turkey I think. Why the heck can not she have been reduced to scrap in this country ? We used to build the best ships in the world now we can not even take them to bits. Utter madness.
Totally agree that a carrier should have been preserved in the UK, they are big enough not just for aircraft but if presented correctly any form of transport, science or technology could be displayed. If I remember correctly is there a plan to have a floating pontoon on the Thames next to the the London Eye with a “Best of British” theme including the Heathrow Concorde. Invicible in long gone but Ark Royal is now retired and Illustrious is due out of service in a couple of years. Surely the Ark could be moored on the Thames at Greenwich and become an attraction.
CADmanNot sure what terms you are looking for but try contacting the Shuttleworth Collection. I am sure the Havard will be a welcome addition to the aircraft based at Old Warden and IIRC they were actively looking for private owners to use the new hangars.
CADmanI say time for a formation photo!:)
Nice idea , but we have four qualified Meteor pilots in the UK ?
CADmanWhilst XV202 will be worthy of preservation surely these two would have been more worthy, still time yet as both are still in service.
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“According to the excellent BARG Falklands Air War, XV196 was one of the first C-130s to be fitted with extra internal fuel tanks to allow ultra long range flights, before the inflight refuelling mods took place. On 7th May 1982 XV196 was flown from Assension Island by a 47sqn (special forces) crew to meet HMS Plymouth in the South Atlantic, although the planned air drop was aborted the flight lasted 18 hours. The mission was repeated on the 8th May and sucessfull air drops to HMS Plymouth, HMS Irishman and HMS Yorkshireman carried out again with a 17 hour flight time. Three more long range flights were made before XV196 returned to UK on the 16th May for fitment of inflight refuelling
Also deserving of preservation is XV200, which was the first inflight refuelling conversion, work was completed in just ten days by Marshalls of Cambridge and XV200 was delivered to Assension Islands on 14th May. On 16th May a 47 sqn crew flew a 6300 mile sortie 23hour 45minute flight with six in flight refuels from Victors to deliver 1000 lbs of stores and eight paratroops to HMS Antelope, for which the pilot received an AFC and the rest of the crew Queens Commendations”
CADmanMentioned this before but..
“Crying shame that at least part XM603 can not be saved for the Manchester Science and Industry Museum. Ok I understand they lack the space for the whole aircraftt and the cost to dismantle and move would be huge. But surely the nose, fuselage / bomb bay and vertical tail are could be relocated and placed on display. It would make a stunning exhibit with wings removed. Not ideal but better than just ‘pots an’ pans’ “
CADmanHeard a rumour that one could be going to Duxford…
Well if Duxford’s reason for not having a Nimrod is hangar space then where are they going to put a Hercules ?
An important question should be raised today and hopefully with suitable planning important aircraft can be saved. Not all C-130’s are the same, of the ten remaining old generation C-130K’s XV196 and XV200 deserve special mention. According to the excellent BARG Falklands Air War, XV196 was one of the first C-130s to be fitted with extra internal fuel tanks to allow ultra long range flights, before the inflight refuelling mods took place. On 7th May 1982 XV196 was flown from Assension Island by a 47sqn (special forces) crew to meet HMS Plymouth in the South Atlantic, although the planned air drop was aborted the flight lasted 18 hours. The mission was repeated on the 8th May and sucessfull air drops to HMS Plymouth, HMS Irishman and HMS Yorkshireman carried out again with a 17 hour flight time. Three more long range flights were made before XV196 returned to UK on the 16th May for fitment of inflight refuelling
Also deserving of preservation is XV200, which was the first inflight refuelling conversion, work was completed in just ten days by Marshalls of Cambridge and XV200 was delivered to Assension Islands on 14th May. On 16th May a 47 sqn crew flew a 6300 mile sortie 23hour 45minute flight with six in flight refuels from Victors to deliver 1000 lbs of stores and eight paratroops to HMS Antelope, for which the pilot received an AFC and the rest of the crew Queens Commendations.
CADmanis there a Meteor listed. One went over my house in Ipswich this afternoon flying in a NW direction.
Air Atlantique NF11, displayed at Koksijde airshow and departed for home mid afternoon.
CADmanSeem to remember there was a notice on the gate by the Hunter warning of tresspass, dont touch anything, ect. There was also a contact telephone number, you are local take a look.
CADmanI wouldnt be surprised if the ‘National Collection’ is started to be looked at as a whole. Thus duplication of effort would be avoided across the main 4 museums – IWM, RAFM, FAAM and AACM.
Bruce
Should the Science Museum be included in this group ?
CADmanSecurity is an added issue within he UK. Last time I did RIAT it was so over the top, and exactly what are the security team hoping to find. OK that does not need an answer, let just hope that they NEVER do find anything.
“Was there no such security at Zeltweg ???”
None that I saw indeed the camp site which I used was adjacent to the base perimeter fence. However to gain access to the airfield a portion of the fence had been removed and this was patrolled by two men and a dog, allbeit the men had guns and the dog a nasty smile :>))
Yes Red Bull were big sponsers but I dont expect they did more than provide staff, services and support in return for the free advising and drinks sales. What is more likely is that other local firms provide free sevices to the airshow (hire cars, hotels,ect) in exchange for the knowledge that extra local sales and publisity will be gained. Another very obvious sign was the huge numbers of military personnel that were carrying all sorts of jobs around the site. They did not require voluneers to pick litter or direct traffic, they had a strong armed forces presence, proud to be there and meet the public. Sadly those hardworking members of the armed forces in UK are over stetched and too thinly spread to be called in in large numbers to help a public event.
CADmanWaddington show full, roads blocked, people be turned away. Same seems to happen at Fairford, which is now advanced ticket only, by why ? Is it the damed Health and Safety that state 50,000 people on site is OK by 50,001 is a danger ?
Airshow are popular all over the world in the USA there is never a problem with over crowding. I did not attend Waddington show instead visited Austria and the bi-annual Zeltweg Airpower11 event. Reports state they had 170,000 people on Friday alone, 300,000 over two days, were roads grid locked ‘No’ did people have to queue ‘No’ was everybody happy ‘Yes’ So how can the Europeans run these event so well. In my opinon several things standout, thousands attended by coach, the road outside the was made one way and hundreds of coaches just parked nose to tail and people walked, surrounding fields were used for car parking with a simple charge of 10 Euro, shuttle buses were avialable but most people seem happy to walk, but the most important thing to speed things up was free entrance, no delays while two dozen people ask for tickets, check prices, work out how many adults or children, wait while Mr Numpty finds his wallet and asks if he can pay by cheque, take money and give change. Duxford will no doubt be the same. with queues not to drive though the gate and park the car but to pay. OK these event cost money, but how can the Europeans run them more efficantly for free ?
CADmanFully understand IWM position on the need to maintain exhibits undercover and the ‘damage’ previously done to the Shackleton but in my opinion they do have a responsiblity to take care of the Shackleton. Obviously IWM has a limited budget but I have to question the need to dismantle, move and restore the B-17 surely ‘Mary Alice’ did not need that as much as the Shackleton ? Also what is IWM policy on vounteer restoration, remember the great work carried on the Sunderland and York in the past, has Health and Saftey stopped such efforts ?
CADmanObviously very anoying to have images or even worst text copied without credit. But it would still be very interesting to have a translation because the Russian authors may well be able to add valuable information on Soviet use of the the Spitfire.
Especially the location of the secret undground hangar containing all those crated and inhibited Spitfires stored since 1945. :diablo:
CADmanIs the DH51 currently airworthy ? Have not seen it at a show recently. Is the ATT scheme a temporary job or can we expect to see it later in the year ? All ways nice to see ‘old friends’ wearing new clothes.
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