TwinOtter23Hi Tony – sometimes trying to get new events ‘off the ground’ can seem like a thankless task, with a lot more work involved than many people appreciate – good luck with the new venture! 🙂
TwinOtter23SF as you haven’t responded to my question in #28 I presume that you weren’t there!
As I entered the ground off the Penistone Road we crossed a small river bridge, the top of wall of which was lined with empty bottles and glasses; in the river below was a line of broken glass from the bottles and glasses that had been pushed off the wall. Yes, that was from the Forest ‘fans’; and we all know how important it is to get the most drinking time, but I would wager a lot of money the Liverpool fans were doing the same elsewhere!
The drunken tirade that I took exception to was, “Die you **********g scouse bas****s, die!” {N.B. the forum filters are rightly blocking the ” f ” word!}
This was shouted by a ‘fan’ that stood on a seat in front of me in a block of seating that was allocated to corporate box holders from the City Ground in Nottingham.
As a human being I still take exception to that abuse today; what made it more upsetting at the time and still today, was that anyone with half a brain cell could see that bodies were already being taken out of the Leppings Lane End of the ground.
Sadly there was a whole series of factors that combined to cause the horrendous loss of life and some of those factors are still being swept under the carpet if you fail to acknowledge the true role of the ‘fans’.
TwinOtter23SF as you haven’t responded to my question in #28 I presume that you weren’t there!
As I entered the ground off the Penistone Road we crossed a small river bridge, the top of wall of which was lined with empty bottles and glasses; in the river below was a line of broken glass from the bottles and glasses that had been pushed off the wall. Yes, that was from the Forest ‘fans’; and we all know how important it is to get the most drinking time, but I would wager a lot of money the Liverpool fans were doing the same elsewhere!
The drunken tirade that I took exception to was, “Die you **********g scouse bas****s, die!” {N.B. the forum filters are rightly blocking the ” f ” word!}
This was shouted by a ‘fan’ that stood on a seat in front of me in a block of seating that was allocated to corporate box holders from the City Ground in Nottingham.
As a human being I still take exception to that abuse today; what made it more upsetting at the time and still today, was that anyone with half a brain cell could see that bodies were already being taken out of the Leppings Lane End of the ground.
Sadly there was a whole series of factors that combined to cause the horrendous loss of life and some of those factors are still being swept under the carpet if you fail to acknowledge the true role of the ‘fans’.
TwinOtter23An Indoor Aeroboot update has been added in here – 24 tables sold (so far) and the first list of the types of item that will be on sale is now included.
Another ideal chance for some ‘face to face’ aviation trading!! 🙂
TwinOtter23No one has responded to post #28 but let me declare my views in agreeing with the quoted post above!
I was at both Semi-Finals referred to in post #28.
For the 1989 match may late father and I were delayed on our journey to the match; we arrived late (by my standards) and ended up parking in the wrong part of Sheffield and as we rushed to the ground we passed pubs full of Nottingham Forest and Liverpool supporters who at around 14.40 hours were still drinking and hadn’t made their way to the ground. We sat in the Nottingham Forest allocated seats adjacent to the Leppings Lane End and clearly saw the terrible events unfold inside the ground; we left at about 15.15 because I had nearly been thrown into one of the walk-ways by a drunken Nottingham Forest ‘yob’ who objected to me asking him to calm down his obnoxious shouting when it was clear bodies were coming out of the Leppings Lane end of the ground!
Nothing that I have read from last week’s enquiry changes my view that CD’s last post sums up the wider issues that seem to now be being brushed under the carpet!
I spent around 6 months trying to identify the ‘yob’ who threatened my life; through official channels at NFFC, without success – I just wanted to discuss things with him when he was sober!
We left the ground at about 15.15, knowing my sister was still in the ground with the NFFC supporters at the opposite end of the ground (one of the most difficult decisions I’ve ever made) – I have never been to another football match since the ‘Hillsborough’ match and I never will attend again!
My sympathies are with the 96 who sadly lost their lives and their families.
TwinOtter23No one has responded to post #28 but let me declare my views in agreeing with the quoted post above!
I was at both Semi-Finals referred to in post #28.
For the 1989 match may late father and I were delayed on our journey to the match; we arrived late (by my standards) and ended up parking in the wrong part of Sheffield and as we rushed to the ground we passed pubs full of Nottingham Forest and Liverpool supporters who at around 14.40 hours were still drinking and hadn’t made their way to the ground. We sat in the Nottingham Forest allocated seats adjacent to the Leppings Lane End and clearly saw the terrible events unfold inside the ground; we left at about 15.15 because I had nearly been thrown into one of the walk-ways by a drunken Nottingham Forest ‘yob’ who objected to me asking him to calm down his obnoxious shouting when it was clear bodies were coming out of the Leppings Lane end of the ground!
Nothing that I have read from last week’s enquiry changes my view that CD’s last post sums up the wider issues that seem to now be being brushed under the carpet!
I spent around 6 months trying to identify the ‘yob’ who threatened my life; through official channels at NFFC, without success – I just wanted to discuss things with him when he was sober!
We left the ground at about 15.15, knowing my sister was still in the ground with the NFFC supporters at the opposite end of the ground (one of the most difficult decisions I’ve ever made) – I have never been to another football match since the ‘Hillsborough’ match and I never will attend again!
My sympathies are with the 96 who sadly lost their lives and their families.
TwinOtter23I haven’t had any contact with CARG for over 12 months and I haven’t seen any reports from them in the quarterly BAPC meeting reports etc.
That said they’re still listed as being members on the BAPC website!
TwinOtter23Another Lightning album has been uploaded today – 9 images this time that can be found here!
TwinOtter23Other than Yeovilton I’m trying to think of the location around these parts that has one of the largest collections of former Fleet Air Arm airframes in its care ? ? ? ? ? 😀
Great projects by the way!! 🙂
TwinOtter23:confused: I might be missing something but I thought I’d heard that a deal was struck a few years ago that saw one of the sheds retained (refurbished) providing other development work went ahead – including housing. I’ve not found full references to this but the following two links provide some background:
TwinOtter23Last weekend two new interpretation signs detailing a brief history of RAF Winthorpe were installed adjacent to the RAF Winthorpe Memorial on NAM’s Southfield Site.
In part they were inspired by a forumite, who, two years ago passed a comment to me at Cockpit-Fest about explaining the different aspects of the former RAF Winthorpe site, and the rest as they say is history! 🙂
More details can be found in here!
TwinOtter23Yes IIRC there’s the Airman’s Chapel and the ledger stone that was unveiled in 2006 in the Cathedral; and I must confess that I’m not wholly certain of the ‘full’ rationale behind the new proposed memorial – that said it has some influential supporters and I am pleased to have been able to help make people aware of the appeal.
As for the location – having been involved with projects connected to several aircrew interred in the various cemeteries along the Canwick Road area of Lincoln I also see that as also being appropriate.
TwinOtter23Out of interest – was anyone posting on this thread at the actual match in 1989 or indeed at the Semi-Final fixture the year before between the same teams?
TwinOtter23Out of interest – was anyone posting on this thread at the actual match in 1989 or indeed at the Semi-Final fixture the year before between the same teams?
TwinOtter23Thanks for the initial feedback – it seems a worthy appeal and one that I personally hope will come through to fruition.
I met the Lord Lieutenant several months ago, when the project was at an early stage and he seemed very passionate about the whole scheme. So as promised at the time I’m pleased to start making people aware of what is being planned! 🙂
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