Sadly to conserve the rapidly diminishing ‘Attachment Memory’ in my account I’m unable to post pictures of all of NAM’s ‘engine test-bed’ airframes however I would note the following.
IMHO the most significant is Meteor FR.9 VZ608, which was the V-TOL test-bed for the RB.108 vertical lift engine and you can get a glimpse of her here.
I would also venture to add the following airframes to any list:
Ashton WB491 {Nenes}
Sycamore WT933 {hot & cold weather trials}
Canberra B2 (Mod) WV787 {Sapphire}
Meteor FR.9 (Mod) VZ608 {RB.108}
Plus two possible outsiders (depends on criteria applied) 😀
Luscombe Rattler Strike G-BKPG {???}
Zurowski ZP.1 BAPC 183 {???}
Full airframe list here!
Footnote to Mods how do I proceed when the attachment quota is reached?
:diablo: I think it’s worth lots of money ….. or so I keep being told!!! 😀 😀 😀
Slightly off topic but an interesting aside; if you run structural calculations through building stress loading computer programmes on T2 Hangars I’m told that the snow loading figures are horrendous and in theory all the buildings should have fallen down long ago. That said perhaps it is on topic if you’re thinking of trying to secure an old building to get the aircraft under cover!
Back on topic – hopefully NAM feedback (for what it was worth) on the current NEAM situation reached the north east safely via other means! 🙂
Has been interesting to note that in the last few weeks some interesting cockpits have been up for grabs. I doubt there will be another chance to acquire a RAF Vampire FB.5, RAF Venom FB.1 or a Twin Pin all at the same time. Just goes to show there is stuff out there still to be had.
Jon
Will any of them make it to Nottinghamshire on 19 & 20 June, 2010??
:diablo: … you all know what for!! 😀
CAA interview here care of our kind hosts …. http://www.key.aero/view_feature.asp?ID=35&thisSection=airshow
Formal ‘cockpit for sale’ area on the Southfield Site as part of Cockpit-Fest and the Aeroboot?? :diablo:
The raid and loss of the aircraft is recorded on pages 44 /45 of S Finn’s ‘Lincolnshire Air War’ the Ju88s – “crossed county from west, dropping bombs and machine gunning targets (Chatsworth House was one)…..”
Sadly no real answers to the original questions.
Wickenby wasn’t specifically mentioned in the report.
There was an eyewitness account of part of the incident from a Mr D Simpson of Grange-de-Lings, which indicates that “… when the Germans reached Bardney Bridge, they had to pull up to get over…” Right sort of area I guess.
The book published in 1973 😮 also reports that one of the Spitfires went down in flames near Gautby.
Now all I hope for is for someone to tell me the book is incredibly valuable!! 😀
The book is an excellent reference, which holds many memories – saved up a couple of weeks pocket money to purchase it in 1974 from the first NAM Shop that was housed in the building that is now the main museum workshop; then had to work out how to get it home on the bicycle without creasing it!
Wouldn’t sell either, the cost remark was more to do with some comments elsewhere about these parts concerning a certain TSR.2 book – but I’m not bitter!! 😀
As for the accuracy I also know that it’s not 100% due to some of the inaccuracies on a couple of the Winthorpe reference – still a good starting point though.
Good luck with the research – I’m just starting to do a bit more regarding the Polish Air Force connection in Notts & Lincs for another museum education project.
Good luck next week guys!! 🙂
Perhaps the MoD has forgotten previous ‘encounters’ that seem to arise when proposals connected with the BBMF are made – have they unleashed a beast again? 😀
IMHO MoD should cancel all leave!! :diablo:
IMHO there is little doubt that Bomber Command training units were ‘Cinderella Units’ that had to work with a wide range of mixed and ‘tired airframes’.
That said having spoken with many former ground and air crew they all undertook their duties with utmost professionalism (despite most being volunteers) and with immense respect and consideration for each other. I have particular connections with former personnel from 1661 HCU at RAF Winthorpe and the camaraderie I have experienced within that group of veterans is very humbling. To suggest the aircraft were badly maintained is inappropriate.
HCUs were an added level of training introduced by 5 Group to counter heavy loses, that were becoming difficult to sustain. HCU Courses were split into 2 sections – flying & ground training on alternate days and included a minimum of 6 hours bad weather flying – so when everyone else is on the ground on HCU you could be flying; not an ideal situation but a necessary one if you were to gain the skills need to cope with similar circumstances on Ops.
Toward the end of the war an additional level of training was added in 5 Group called Lancaster Finishing School.
Reinforcing the ‘bad weather issue’ the RAF Winthorpe / 1661 HCU Memorial features – “part of a propeller hub of an Mk III Short Stirling EF186, from 1661 Heavy Conversion Unit (HCU), which was then based at RAF Winthorpe. The aircraft crashed out of control at Breeder Hills near Grantham, Lincs, on December 4th 1944, after entering cumulus nimbus cloud while practicing recovery from unusual flight attitudes. The Stirling was carrying a crew of nine and there were no survivors.”
I too wouldn’t fully debate the health implications on an open forum but could I respectfully suggest that ‘it’ is an ongoing issue that needs to be given very careful consideration!
Not a problem – you have a PM!
Having taken the device apart you might find that legally you need a licence to ‘store’ the material; and sadly that’s not just scare mongering on my part, I’ve helped process the necessary paperwork!
Plus the half-life calculation doesn’t work exactly as you’ve stated!