ref WB562 of 7AEF crashing at the showground. I was one of the Vulcan lineys sent down as crash guard the day it happened. The great British public amazed us by some people wanting bits of the aircraft “as they were useless now and would make a nice souvenir”. When we explained that two people had been killed and it was a crash investigation site, the comment was “oh well we will come back tomorrow”. Because it was a public area, the air museum, riding school & car auctions we had to keep our eyes open for souvenier hunters untill it was taken back to Waddo.
:confused: The crash location was and still is a closed ‘private’ site that is only open when shows and events are held on the Showground – back then you’d have been lucky if there was one event per week, very rarely mid-week. :confused:
From the fenced former museum site there was only ‘locked gate’ access to the crash site and I certainly recall the RAF perimeter that was set up around the location and it was difficult to see the wreckage without binoculars.
This is one of the reasons why the memorial to the crash is little known!
Also, I thought that the Motor Auction company didn’t arrive on the Showground until 1977 – a last minute special closure had to be made for their entrance when the Hastings landed! :confused:
What a waste… those very useable hangars about to be demolished and just down the road the NAM has some superb aircraft needing some hangarage.:(
Sadly NAM’s been there and done that with a T2 framework donated from RAF Bottesford [circa 1997] – with then 55 year old steelwork [fabricated when metals were in short supply].
NAM found it was cheaper to purchase a new building rather than re-calculate the marginal stress loadings, large footing to hold it down and then refurbish old frames – the result is the new steelwork in Hangar 2 on the Southfield Site that was funded by a grant from the Heritage Lottery Fund – nice idea but NAM found it not economically viable!
Footnote: the T2 steelwork then went off to YAM!
Additional data from project file [1999 – 2001 rates]:
Cost estimate just to refurbish 55 year old T2 steelwork [not including, modifying or correcting any default sections] was circa £50k.
Cost of new custom design steelwork to modern specs was £83k.
Extra footing costs to safely secure a T2 [compression / tension stresses of opposing wall columns] to the type of ground at NAM as compared to the current footing design was estimated at circa £25k.
As I recall it crashed in what was the main show ring of the Agricultural Society site close the air museum’s original site on the northern side of the airfield [approx 800 metres from the current museum site], I believe pre-1977 / 78.
I understand that there may be a small memorial plaque displayed somewhere on the Showground site – but I have to confess I haven’t seen it myself! 😮
P.S. RAF Swinderby’s original post box is displayed at NAM!
The ATC prize was made possible by Jan van Huuksloot from Holland and his Douglas 8A3N cockpit at the 2008 event. Jan asked for his prize money to go to the museum, but it was felt more appropriate to put it back into the prize pool for the 2009 event and then for the ATC category.
The category was also inspired by Ritch & Max Blood suggesting that the event should try to encourage youngsters. I understand that progress has already been made this week :eek:, at investigating the widening ATC participation at the 2010 event!
WV-903 have you fixed your ‘new trolley’ yet? 😉
Chox, out of interest when was the last time you visited Waddington Airshow on base, on one of the public days?
At last year’s Airshow the recruiting and youth aspect were covered with specific displays as part of the support programme of events and activities; with the Deployment Support Display and the Youth in the Community Display – some details here http://www.military-airshows.co.uk/waddington2008reviewb.htm
… The only one thing I would suggest to Waddington if they were wanting to attract some more exotic types would be to try and have a theme each year that attracts these types. maybe next year can be something like ‘The Polish Airmen of Lincolnshire’, or the 70th Anniversary of 303 Squadron. this might encourage the Polish Air Force to send a large contingent over to the show… (although their efforts this year should already be applauded!) A Polish Mig 29, F16 and C130… That would keep some of the spotters quiet!
I understand that contacts in the aviation community are already being made re Lincolnshire’s Polish Air Force connections, some of which might be in place this year [other than just at the Airshow].
Certainly those connections are being exploited just over the county border at Newark and I know that several articles promoting the region’s ‘aviation connections’ have appeared in recent months in the Polish language press in the UK.
Also, I’ve always found the Waddington Airshow organisers to be receptive to comment and feedback and IMHO they provide exactly what the public wants –weather permitting.
Keep up the good work! 🙂
NAM Autumn 2009 Photo Shoot
I’ve just been advised that the Crusader 80 – British Army of the Rhine, Military Vehicle Display and Re-enactment Group who displayed at Cockpitfest are returning on Saturday 17th October 2009 as part of the museum’s Autumn Photo Shoot. 🙂
Further details on how to book can be found here!
Explosion at 0445?????, John Smiths pattented night nurse meant that I didn’t hear a peep until 0630!!!!.
Regards,
John.
😮 Even the church group camping on the Showground heard it!
The Sunday morning ambiance with the skylarks soaring [until the rooks arrived] was just as nice. Sadly the quad bikes on the ‘temporary’ [planning permission not required, as it’s deemed a temporary structure :eek:] grass track circuit spoilt that, as did their earlier exploits.
Not sure about the explosion [petrol tank?] but we now have a Police Incident Number. Also, I spent much of yesterday in email communication with the local planning and environmental health departments [again] trying to get such activities investigated and hopefully stopped!
Not much we can do about the odours I’m afraid – we work very closely with the farmer over the noise issues, as they also have an input over any Planning Applications that the museum puts in, or activities we undertake on our site.
We are currently evaluating a new Visitor Centre scheme on the land we own [Aeroboot location] so we need to keep them happy to ensure our proposed development goes ahead with minimal opposition. 😉
To be honest the condition of the concrete is so poor it’s not been a real option for many years. The grass at the side, where most of the gliding took place might have been an option but the fencing has stopped that! :rolleyes:
As for the Shackleton – 7 x 40 foot lorries worth [largest aircraft Newark’s ever moved by road] partly covered in two books – see here!
Viggen is the most complex dismantling project undertaken by Newark – one of the few times a complete undercarriage has been removed!
Hi Wyvernfan,
It was good to speak on Saturday.
Sadly the runways at Winthorpe are no longer useable and since the gliders left they are merely car parking spaces; albeit full of potholes, some worse than those on the roadway down to the museum! 😮 [An issue that the museum landlord has promised to correct!]
Runway[s] ownership – Newark & Notts Agricultural Society.
The last aircraft to land at Winthorpe for the museum was the briefly displayed AN2-Colt in early 2002. Another factor is that the runway in now fenced at various points :rolleyes: and at least one aircraft has landed and the occupants have had to phone to be ‘let out!’
The runways were evaluated for both the Draken and Viggen deliveries [1994 and 2006 respectively] but declined due to the poor condition. These aircraft were subsequently flown to Scampton and Cranwell respectively and then moved by road.
Of those you mentioned the Vulcan [1983] and Hastings [1977] flew in, but the Shackleton was dismantled and moved by road – 😮 hence my poor A-Level results [too much time at Finningley].
The Vulcan is the largest aircraft ever to land at Winthorpe and at the time of the early 1980s disposals XM594 was the only Vulcan to be delivered to a non licensed airfield – Winthorpe having no facilities other than a marginal length of concrete.
Any future airframes would almost certainly come in by road!
There may be a bit of confusion here, TO23, I was referring to the thinning out of our collection, i.e. me and my chum’s.
Requests from your trustees will be considered, though. 😉
My apologies I was thinking about the ‘cockpiteer rummage’ on Saturday night and the ‘clothing cull!’ 😮
Also, and at long last, the promised “thinning out” of the collection has started with (amongst other things) a Meteor instrument panel, Seahawk control column and Flare Pistol all going to cockpit projects, which is especially pleasing.
I believe that the ‘parts thinning out’ might continue and I know that several specific type / parts requests will be considered by the trustees.
Next Indoor Aeroboot set for November 7th 2009 – booking forms were given out over the weekend. 🙂
How about some pics then?:cool:
Lincoln windscreen? these things still turn up?:eek:
CheersCees
The whisper I heard was that the new owner saw it as a potential Lancaster project!