At this particular location is was originally designed to ‘advertise’ the vehicle site to passing traffic on the A1 – they also had a fire engine with large turntable ladder extended into the sky and a ‘dummy’ strapped to the top!! š®
Been here before
She’s dead Im affraid, there’s no talking to the owners, totally unaproachable Im affraid….:(
First time I’ve actually seen an individuals name mentioned.
I also know that approaches made by Newark have been turned down … I’m told over many years! š
How complete is the WB491 inside? Would love to see pics!
A good question Pagen, Iām not 100% certain Iām afraid ā but perhaps relatively incomplete. When it first arrived there were plans to turn it into an education aid, but so far that has not progressed beyond an idea.
Recently I know there have been posts elsewhere about what is planned for the Ashton, which is a āSignificantā airframe on the National Aviation Heritage Register. I understand that as the museum tries to develop facilities on its own land that the positioning of the Ashton might have to remain āflexibleā until everything else is in position.
At the end of this month the volunteers who work on site have been invited to contribute to some preliminary discussions how the Southfield Site [the land that the museum owns] will be developed in the future; so more detail might come out of that process.
Next time I visit the museum Iāll enquire about access to the Ashton and try to get some pictures of the inside!
As a footnote I believe that Newarkās Sea Venom also came from Rhoose in 1983/4. [Proof reading again!!] š
:diablo: Perhaps the RAFM ought to add it to their wish list!
Very impressive Cees!
Any thoughts about a temporary export to Nottinghamshire in June 2009? š
š No problem Pagen – it’s just that I’ve been doing some proof reading of the new Guide Book for a certain aviation museum and that prompted my observation! š
This latest edition seems to have a new picture of the Ashton included.
I’m also advsied that WB491 spent some time down your way – Rhoose Airport I believe, before going back up to Woodford.
Not trying to make any excuses but reflect on one thing in all of this.
Children + education = Government funding + HLF funding
Then ā London Olympics = less funding
This is a current fact of life for many museum / heritage related projects under the current Government policies of āEvery Child Mattersā http://www.everychildmatters.gov.uk/
I didn’t intend to suggest that you did Pagen – I was referring to the original post’s headline of “Avro airliners” – but I guess it also depends how you define airliner!! š
š Don’t forget the Ashton – WB491 is now here http://www.newarkairmuseum.org/aircraftlist.htm
Well done XL569!
There was I thinking that you might still be in there!!:eek:
… I think it is wonderful & generous to even allow such tours & only wish more museums would follow suit…..
š Some already do, but I guess itās a matter of how you determine your pricesā¦
http://www.newarkairmuseum.org/newsItem.php?id=82
http://www.newarkairmuseum.org/newsItem.php?id=83
:diablo: You could argue that you do a partial Halifax tour here on TG517!!
Not the issue. We’ve been pointed at papers completed (but not published, I accept the difficulty of finding a publisher – I are one…;) ) and digs done and dusted, yet we are getting little evidence shared in this thread.
JDK ā I believe that it was a relevant issue as it referred to Rocketeers original post, where he clearly statedā¦
āWill we write a paper, yes when it is all finished and we can also tell the story of the pilot, the aircraft and the circumstancesā ā a good scientific approach to my mind.
Just to widen the goalposts a bit and for my own āresearch purposesā; what do the ātraditional archaeologistsā think about āgeo-phys?ā
From my perspective of the Time Team programme there is a constant undercurrent [perhaps played up for the cameras] between this ānew aid to archaeologyā and the more traditional approach. Is a similar feeling perhaps part of the issue between ātraditional archaeologistsā and āaviationologistsā?
JDK, my training taught me that itās ābad scienceā to publish a paper [Iāve co-authored and authored several] based on incomplete data ā you wait until youāve gathered everything together, reach a conclusion and then publish a paper [if anyone is willing to publish it]!
Malcolm ā I have read [and re-read] all of the post and I feel that the portion I quoted was contradictory to your wider content, hence why I quoted it!
No matter how robust data are, in my experience everyone [myself included] can be selective in how they interpret that data so it suits their own hypothesis.
Years ago I worked for a scientist researching peptic ulcers, who proposed that the main cause was a bacterial infection. His hypothesis was widely dismissed as nonsense ā some 15 years on H-pylori bacteria is a recognised and treatable cause for peptic ulcers! Everyone [myself included] ought to be more open-minded!
As a research scientist by qualification; Iāve followed this thread with great interest and Iāve just re-read the most recent posts.
Malcolm how can you say..
Never leap to conclusions based on faulty data.
and then immediately follow it with the comments…
However your response suggests that there is a something being hidden because there may be other issues or disputes involved – that is a worry because they impose an unneessary level of subjectivity which could colour the final way in which the data is assessed and published. Is that the case?.
IMHO by those comments alone you are doing exactly the same – leaping to a subjective conclusion based on faulty data!
Not the best ‘research technique’ and ‘report writing’ IMHO!
From looking at the pictures that you posted – you already have! š
It would be nice to see even more Stirling items dispalyed at this former airfield where 1661 HCU once operated the type.
I’m sure you’d be made very welcome.