TwinOtter23Jonathan -I thought the Air-Space project started out at something like 19 million !
Imagine what they could achieve at Newark wiith that money!
All the aircraft under cover!
Plus enough left over to share amongst the other voluntary collections to achieve the same!!
Please don’t get me going along that theme again!!!
TwinOtter23Newark’s can be seen at the link below.
TwinOtter23From the Newark Air Museum website it seems as though the Viggen made it to their site today!
TwinOtter23What are the Sea Harriers in store for, are they to be sold overseas or are they being held in reserve for all future eventualities, otherwise why were they not scrapped or gifted to aircraft museums.
Septic.
The gifted to aircraft museums would be great, it would save volunteer managed collections having to buy them from MOD đ and would stop the scrapmen having a field day!
TwinOtter23Cockpitfest awards.
As far as I can remember the following awards were made and winners recognised. Apologies before I start for any typos or errors on peopleâs names or category descriptions. :confused:
1. Thank you to sponsors, Key Publishing, Revell, Corgi and Bruce [from this forum].
2. News Wrecks & Relics to Bill Fearn for constantly moving round cockpits to confuse the readers and author.
3. âImport Awardâ to M Davey for Phantom FGR.2 simulator.
4. âSpecial Spirit of Cockpitfestâ to Max La Rue-Blood for various instrument panels.
5. âSpirit of Cockpitfest 2006â to M Gauntlett for his Hunter project.
6. âReaders Awardâ to Boscombe Jaguar GR.1A project.
7. âCockpiters Cockpit Awardâ to T Collins for Sea Vixen.
8. âRunner-Up Best Cockpit Awardâ to T Parker for Venom.
9. âBest Cockpit Awardâ to T Collins for Sea Vixen.
10. Special Award to Ken Ellis for supporting / encouraging event.
TwinOtter23A few Cockpitfest observations.
Bruce â some interesting Aeroboot trader comment were doing the rounds. One âfull-time traderâ was saying that we planned to pack up the aviation side of his business due to a general drop in sales at all aviation boots. Another âcockpit traderâ said that he had also seen a drop in activity. Is this a general feeling or just the normal chatter?
Toddington Ted â I was told that the Viggen wings are due to arrive this week, but that the fuselage has been delayed by the Police until after Waddo.
682al â This year there seemed to be more cars parked along both sides of the approach road, perhaps due to the Gliding Club not operating from the airfield anymore. Yet another dent in general aviation activity in the UK!
Colhot â Ken Ellis even received an award at the end of Sundayâs presentation.
From a personal point of view I was pleased to see a youngster Max La Rue-Blood receive an award for his instrument panel display.
The following comments have been copies from the museum website this morning:
http://www.newarkairmuseum.co.uk/news.cfm
âCOCKPIT-FEST 2006 – THANK YOU
The museum trustees would like to thank everyone who participated in this weekendâs Cockpit-Fest 2006 and Aeroboot event â cockpit owners, Aeroboot stallholders, visitors, visiting displays / participants, museum staff and museum volunteers.
We are particularly pleased at the large number of new cockpit owners who participated for the first time and we would like to congratulate every cockpit owner, instrument panel exhibitor, ejection seat displayer etc on the quality of each of your projects.
We are encouraged that over the two day event visitor numbers increased in comparison to the 2005 event [Saturday admission numbers were slightly down, whilst the Sunday figures were up].
Special thanks to Key Publishing / FLYPAST and ALL the other sponsors that contributed towards this great event.
We look forward to seeing you all again in 2007. [18.06.06]â
TwinOtter23Just copied the following update off the Newark Air Museum Website
http://www.newarkairmuseum.co.uk/news.cfm
COCKPIT-FEST [05] â HOT NEWS FOR THE 2006 EVENT
As of 1.00pm Friday 16th June already on site are the following: Phantom cockpit [replacing Meteor 8 cockpit]; Spitfire cockpit and Anson instrument panels.
Confirmation that in addition to his Jet Provost Bill Fearn is also bringing along the following cockpits [none of which were publicised until today]: Valetta, Harrier and Beagle Pup. đ
Further updates will follow this evening. [16.06.06]
TwinOtter23I have been told that NAM requested flypasts but a certain âOfficial Birthdayâ Celebration in London and displays elsewhere meant they were unsuccessful this year.:(
From the latest website info there still seems to be lots to see and do.
TwinOtter23Further Cockpit-Fest details on the International Cockpit Club website: http://www.internationalcockpitclub.org.uk/cockpitfest.htm
TwinOtter23Latest update
Just copied the following update off the Newark Air Museum Website
http://www.newarkairmuseum.co.uk/news.cfm
COCKPIT-FEST UPDATE 04
June 17th & 18th 2006
Fifteen [15] visiting cockpits have already booked in for Cockpit-Fest 2006 at Newark Air Museumâs Winthorpe Airfield Site. This two- day aviation spectacular, which is combined with an AEROBOOT aviation and avionics sale, takes place on Saturday 17th and Sunday 18th June 2006. More than 20 Aeroboot pitches have already been pre-booked, but space is still available with some pitches available on each day of the event.
The following list of anticipated visiting cockpits is correct at the time of going to press, June 4th 2006:
Spitfire, Buccaneer, L.29 Delfin, Belvedere, Hunter [x2], Venom, Meteor F8, Lightning F6, Canberra, Sea Vixen, Jaguar, Jet Provost and Hunter FGA.9 [x2].
The following museum resident cockpits will also be participating Canberra PR.9 and Canberra T.17.
Visiting instrument panel displays include â Jet Provost, Auster AOP.9, HS 748, Anson, Hornet, P.39, P.51, Vampire and Swordfish.
Visiting rigs include â Spitfire [Saturday only], Tornado, Lysander, Spitfire cockpit rig & other Spitfire parts.
Special guest for the weekend is The Raptor Foundation, with their display of birds of prey. In addition Avro Vulcan XM594 is expected do perform system demonstrations throughout the weekend; Volunteers from the museum will endeavour to open a number of aircraft for public visits throughout the weekend; Newark Museum will be providing an interactive costumed World War 2 question and answer session for children and adults; and the Waddington Amateur Radio Society will be broadcasting from the site.
Special Notices
It should be noted by visitors that as some of the cockpits travel many miles to be here for the weekend, typically some will start to leave the site from 2pm on the Sunday. We therefore recommend early viewing to avoid disappointment.
On both days visitors and participants will be eligible to a 5% discount on ALL books and plastic model kits purchased in the Museum Shop.
Normal museum admission rates apply. Adults ÂŁ6.00, Over 60s ÂŁ5.50, Children ÂŁ3.75 and Family ticket [2 adults & 2 children] ÂŁ17.50. Appointments are preferred for Group [15 plus people] visits. Gates open for the public at 1000 hours both days.
Cockpit owners who have not yet registered for this yearâs event are reminded that there is no fee for you to pay when you participate at Cockpit-Fest, as display pitches are free to exhibitors. So please contact the museum soon, if you plan to display your cockpit / interior exhibit, at the 2006 Cockpit-Fest.
Cockpit-Fest is sponsored and supported by FLYPAST the UKâs top selling aviation monthly magazine. [04.06.06]
TwinOtter23I have thought long and hard about this post and during last twenty four hours I have revisited a variety of IWM / Duxford related threads and there seems to be a very defensive response to anyone that comments on, or questions anything related to this impressive national asset.
In the past I have experienced positive feedback and support when dealing with a variety of people at Duxford, but IMHO this seems to have changed in recent years. I do however respect anyoneâs right to defend their corner on forums like this and I do appreciate that difficult issues perhaps should sometimes be aired elsewhere.
That having been said I would hope that IWM / Duxford might moderate their apparent negativity towards aviation preservation items that are not IWM / Duxford related. There is a vibrant independent aviation museum sector in the UK, which largely thrives in spite of what I believe is a growing insular approach from some of the national collections.
IMHO all the national collections ought to be pursuing a more âinclusiveâ approach like that that is being actively demanded by the Heritage Lottery Fund [HLF] for the BAPC / Duxford National Aviation Heritage Skills Initiative.
Inclusion / dissemination of ideas and information are also requirements of the Museums, Libraries and Archives Council [MLA] âHub and Spokeâ approach to regional museum associations and are actively encouraged by the HLF.
In the latest project that I am involved with the HLF have advised communication with the RAF Museum at Cosford and Vulcan to the Sky. In this case the HLFâs stated aim is to encouraging other groups to âtap into their Cold War themes and ideas.â When I eventually follow up this suggestion it could provide an interesting insight into the reality of inclusion.
The reason HLF gave for such an approach, was because they saw inclusion and co-operation with other like minded organisations as a prerequisite of a successful HLF project. So failure to engage in a meaningful manner might even threaten exiting HLF projects.
I believe that Michelfâs comments in post #25 about assumptions made and reference taken to the AAM by the HLF slightly misses the point. HLF obviously saw fit to make a grant to Newark for their display hangar; the justification for which I understand related solely to getting aircraft inside and that used the National Aviation Heritage Register [NAHR] as the main justification in the bid. In completing this project Newark put a Varsity inside [IMHO one of the most significant post-war training aircraft] and to date I believe this is the only one of the type inside in the UK.
The link below shows some progress on the restoration of this training aircraft
http://www.airsceneuk.org.uk/scene.htm
As for the influence of the AAM on the Newark HLF grant. As I understand the HLF grant situation Newarkâs application â value circa ÂŁ450k would have been decided by a regional HLF team, whilst the AAM application â value circa ÂŁ8 million would have been decided nationally.
The common point of reference may have been the NAHR. I sincerely hope the nationals do not get their ârumoured planâ off the ground of introducing their own aircraft listing scheme, news of which ironically came to light at the 150th BAPC Meeting, which coincided with opening Newarkâs Hangar 2.
A change to a more open and less defensive approach from the nationals could I believe benefit all aviation preservation in the UK. Everyone should work together and not constantly snipe â yes I do appreciate this post could be construed as sniping, but itâs meant as a series of open and heartfelt comments, which I hope that it will be received in similar vein.
TwinOtter23Twin,
And that would achive which aim?
Its a pretty static collection with a long term plan to expand and consolidate the collection.
So the churn rate is very low…
The money spent on installing doors of that size is better spent on other areas at the IWM…or rather shall we say the Donors money is better spent..
Michelf
The :rolleyes: comment was in reference to our earlier debate about the AAM project, posts #187, #205, #214 on the thread below:
http://forum.keypublishing.co.uk/showthread.php?t=52906
As for a static collection didn’t you imply otherwise?
Also I am pretty certain that the people at Newark would not list the AAM as one of the factors that helped them secure Lottery Funding.
IMHO inflated opinions of the importance of DX to the independent museum sector!
TwinOtter23No problem.
But having taken it down once its a lot less frightening to do it again…
Say for a B-47!!!!!
Modify it and put some doors in whilst your doing it! :rolleyes:
TwinOtter23Most reputable event organisers will carry their own Public Liability Insurance but I would doubt whether they would insure individual exhibits that are visiting an event on a temporary basis.
Insurance and underwriting such activities is a complex subject and a few issues spring to mind when contemplating such arrangements:
Who would value the exhibit, the event organiser or the owner?
Perhaps both parties would have to come to some sort of agreed valuation?
Many insurance companies might also want an input to this process and possibly sight of the exhibit, to assess its condition, rarity etc.
Who would cover the transportation insurance for an exhibit, the owner or the event organiser?
How much advance notice of participation would be required to obtain suitable valuations and insurance cover?
Would this mean that an exhibit would have to be guaranteed to participate at an event for a certain amount of time?
TwinOtter23I would agree with Bruce, also we have been there before and I would reiterate part of what I said in an earlier post: http://forum.keypublishing.co.uk/showthread.php?t=54023&page=2&pp=30
âI believe the system already exists for British Aviation and although not perfect it has done a pretty good job over the last 30 years or so. This is each independent aviation museums across the UK, which outside of the USA is perhaps the most active aviation movement in the world.
Over the years hundreds of at risk airframes have been saved and most are now listed on the National Aviation Heritage Register [NAHR], compiled by the Brtish Aviation Preservation Council [BAPC]. The NAHR has even been used as an example of good practice for other British transport Registers of significant artefacts.
I would urge everyone to focus their efforts in supporting their local independent aviation museum.
The infrastructure is already there and for the most part working well. With a little more assistance it can work even better.â
One new thought â wouldnât it be nice if RAFM, BA and BAPC came clean and advised how long the BA Collection at Cosford has been under review. I suspect a few people might be surprised by the possible answer.
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