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    Marcellogo

    Are you aware that F-22 supercruise speed (1,83) is superior to the maximum one of F-35

    Well to be fair that also faster than Eurofighter, Gripen NG, Rafale but they are still used in interception role.

    Seriously, what is this monstruosity?
    A lot of complaint about the drag of missiles on a 4gen plane and they have made an image of an F-35 with FOUR DOUBLE PYLONS (plus two AIM-9X just to look cooler) on its tiny, high load wings?
    Four…double pylons, …on the wings, …in an interception mission, for heaven sake, garry… have you the faintest idea how much drag such a load conformation comport?
    I’ll give you a reminder: soviets ditched such an arrangement because they found that the one they made for the R-60 was too draggy… yes, the R-60 a.k.a. the AA-8 Aphid.

    That to show LMFS not necessary have low missile load, because it don’t have to be in stealth configuration all the time, and of course, if you carry more missiles, your aircraft will be draggier that goes for all aircraft and F-35 is no exception, but there are intercept mission where you might want to trade speed for the number of missiles, for example: if your aircraft carrier is being attacked from extended range by cruise missiles

    garryA
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    [USER=”77292″]LMFS[/USER]

    was referring mainly to AMRAAM, speed 4 M with range well below 200 km, of which only four can be carried internally. Meteor is also 4 M apparently

    AIM-120D is said to reach 185 km, though obvious it depend on exact condition , as with all missile, but it should be competitive with most missile like Mica, R-77, RVV-SD, PL-15 , R-27
    Meteor is ramjet, so wwhile it top speed might not be as fast as solid rocket fuel missile, it will retain that speed for far longer period
    Also in they are currently working to increase the internal A2A missile load of F-35 from 4 to 6, there have been many articles about that

    have not looked the other missile, is it planed for USAF?

    UK will use Meteor (ramjet missile)
    Japan will use JNAAM (ramjet missile with AESA seeker)
    US will use LREW

    The configuration with 14 missiles was not approved yet AFAIK, maybe I am not up to date?

    Not that it can’t be approved or it is hard to do, but rather that it not high in the priority list compared to internal configuration or A2G configuration so they will flight test others configuration first, but eventually it will get tested, dual rack is very common and had been here since Vietnam war, F-4 had them, F-18 had them, F-15 had them..etc. Argue that F-35 will never able to carry 14 missiles because it hasn’t done the separation test yet is like saying Su-57 will never launch RVV-sd because it hasn’t done so.

    Regarding the interception of missile carriers, actually i don’t know how USAF plans to counter them. Of course planes like Tu-160 would try to launch while stand-off, with their range and speed plus range, number and flight altitude of the missiles themselves the payload could spread over literally millions of square kilometers, rather than following carrier and missiles the same predictable path. The missiles themselves would be difficult to detect and the latter you intercept them, the bigger the chance to have leakers. So i would suppose you would really want to catch the carrrier asap (and hence require a long range, high speed interceptor like a MiG-31 fielded as close to Russia as possible) rather than having to search for missiles over big areas, maybe you have more info on the actual approach to counter that threat?

    Given that Kh-101/102 was advertised to reach 3000-4000 km ( some source even go as high as 10.000 km) then frankly, not even Mig-31 can intercept these carriers before they can launch their missiles because Mig-31 combat radius at Mach 0.8 is 1450 km and at Mach 2.32 is barely 720 km. That just not enough when your opponent can launch missiles from 3000-4000 km away.

    in reply to: 2019 F-35 News and Discussion #2121902
    garryA
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    Since when US has jurisdiction over all NATO members?

    Since forever, tbh

    Ok, don’t understand what has S-400 to do with this. Maybe I don’t fully understand what you mean but this sounds to me rather as a leak of internal F-35 information than something related to S-400 capabilities. BTW, wouldn’t US have the opportunity to gain similarly relevant knowledge about the S-400?

    If Turkey operate both F-35 and S-400, they could look at how the threat library of F-35 operate and thus make their own S-400 more potent, which is not necessarily what the US want

    but jamming a SAM system with 400 km range interceptors is not that easy
    Hence MALDS and its further developments, US needs expendable jamming assets to operate in such environments.

    Before MALD, they had ITALD, which came from TALD which came before the day of 400 km interceptor, it is natural evolution

    this progress also applies to IADS illuminating LO targets from different aspects at different frequencies, relying on VHF radars, OTH, PCL.

    VHF and OTH radar are not recent development btw, even the old Sa-75 and Sa-125 already had low frequency radar and multiple radars operate at multiple frequency

    garryA
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    Load / range / speed of the carried missiles is relatively low.

    I don’t think range/speed of something like Meteor or JNAAM gonna be low.
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    Load out is depend on mission requirement, not necessary low
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    How a 1.6 M F-35 would intercept a 2 M Tu-160 carrying 12 x Kh-101/102 is not that clear to me.

    Not even Mig-31 gonna intercept these bombers since Kh-102 range was advertised to be around 3000-5000 km

    in reply to: Su-27SK Flight manual #2122049
    garryA
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    Thanks you

    in reply to: Rafale 2018 Thread: Europe's best Eurocanard #2122168
    garryA
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    [USER=”77826″]XB-70[/USER]

    But what I’m getting at is that at a great enough distance, it may not matter. Every electronic device has a natural noise floor, and a signal has to be above that floor to be registered. The Rafale can register the pulses from a targeting radar at a greater distance than that from which the targeting aircraft can get a proper pulse – because it has to attenuate by 1/d^2 again. (The converse is also true though, and the capabilities of both aircraft’s RWRs would have to be assessed here. My point was only that it may not matter!) And, again, if it does show up for a mere display frame or two it likely won’t matter then either.

    My point is because the pulse duration doesn’t get shorter if the ECCM function of adversary radar can use leading edge tracking against RGPO and RGPI, it should be able to do the same against active cancellation.

    [USER=”77826″]XB-70[/USER]

    But the French have a problem since they are trying to use *electronic warfare*. Electrons in a conductor travel very fast, but they do not travel at the speed of light. Thus, the electronic processing is not instantaneous. And thus you cannot use a full real time approach to achieve full cancellation (you would always be reacting to events with lag). But engineers know how to cheat!! A phase shift is the same thing as a time delay. To cancel the reflected signal all you have to do is calculate a good time to start emitting the exact same signal! The time you choose will be such that the two signals (reflected and yours) are 180 degrees out of phase and thus cancel one another. So their system simply needs to first analyze the incident radar signal and determine what it is, pull characteristics of it out of memory, and then do some final processing to account for attenuation of the reflected wave, doppler effect and such (the time needed for these calculations are also precalculated and used for the final phase shift). Then you start transmitting. A proper radar return is sent back while the upfront analysis is being done but after that – practically nothing. And if it shows up for a frame or two it won’t really matter.After the upfront work is done there won’t be any leading edges to trigger on

    But then that method will require your jammer to have perfect information of enemy radar. Not just their waveform or operating frequency range, but also exactly what frequency it will hop to at time t+1 aka the frequency hopping sequences and also the PRF jittering sequences, so kinda similar to what i said earlier about radar with constant characteristic (the difference is instead you know that radar well enough to know exactly what it will do at a given moment in future)

    in reply to: Rafale 2018 Thread: Europe's best Eurocanard #2122202
    garryA
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    FCR is fire control radar, i meant your transmitting aperture need to be around that size if you want your beam width to be 1 degrees or around that value ( assumming X band, obviously if you transmit at higher frequency then the aperture can be smaller, and vice versa)

    in reply to: Rafale 2018 Thread: Europe's best Eurocanard #2122206
    garryA
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    The limitation i was talking about apply for all kind of transmitter, whether AESA or not.

    in reply to: Rafale 2018 Thread: Europe's best Eurocanard #2122210
    garryA
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    [USER=”41059″]halloweene[/USER]

    The idea is to send signal in a very narrow angle (way under 1°)

    The jamming beam width (angle) will be frequency dependent because for any certain aperture area and frequency, there is a limit on how small (focused) your beam can be.
    I don’t think Spectra can transmit jamming beam with 1degree beam width in X-band though, the transmitting aperture certainly isn’t big enough for that task IMHO , you need a transmitter with aperture size similar to fighter FCR to achive that
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    in reply to: 2018 F-35 News and Discussion #2122219
    garryA
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    defense aerospace is a site dedicated to bashing the F-35 (among probably others

    Defense aerospace is a site which highly biased against F-35, while highly favor the Rafale, you can just took any article from there and compare them to article from more reputable source like Aviation week or Breaking defense.
    http://www.defense-aerospace.com/articles-view/feature/5/197892/claims-of-%E2%80%98game_changing%E2%80%99-f_35-data-fusion-debunked.html
    http://www.defense-aerospace.com/articles-view/feature/5/184921/f_35-paris-flight-demo%3A-much-ado-about-nothing.html

    in reply to: Rafale 2018 Thread: Europe's best Eurocanard #2122288
    garryA
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    [USER=”77826″]XB-70[/USER]

    Well, I looked into several of these and they aren’t really different at all.
    They even say as much. “Any practical jammer must radiate sufficient power to over-ride, or pre-dominate in its effect over, the natural target skin echo.” So, these methods still use the same principle where a larger ‘noise’ signal outweighs and masks the true signal (which is still there). That’s why they call it jamming. (It does appear to be more localized over geographical area but no other difference.)

    All form of jamming (“active cancellation” included), need a certain level of J/S ratio to be effective, in that sense the jammer need to radiate at sufficient power to be effective.
    Different kind of jamming will have different requirement for this J/S level.
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    Deceptive jamming is not the same as noise jamming in the sense that they attempt to inject false information that can be interpreted as real return instead of only simply blank out the real return like noise jamming. It kinda similar to the situation when you follow a person, he can either try to blind you completely with a powerful flash light, or he can (by some unique device) project to your eye, a fake image of him walking in different direction, different speed, and to do that, deceptive (or self protection jammer need precise information about threat radar.
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    This is a very good video on the subject,
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d5T1vPmA-l4

    When it first detects a scan it will need some time to first analyze the threat radar before it can send out a mimicked signal 180 degrees out of phase. But there are two points you need to consider. 1) The power from a radar signal attenuates under a 1/(d^2) characteristic – both ways. So the Rafale can capture a signal at a threat power level before that threat can capture the (even further attenuated) reflected signal. Usually. 2) Humans need a lot of time (in comparison with electronics) to capture and process information. A cockpit display refreshes at say 60fps (or 1 frame every 0.0167 seconds). If it takes the system 0.25-.03 seconds to capture pulses and process the info then it still might only show up on one frame. That’s not enough for a person to notice; it would be there and gone in the blink of an eye. And that’s assuming the radar’s processing doesn’t write it off as a noise spike and discard the info.

    1) That correct, but while the signal the threat radar received will be weaker, the pulse length is the same.
    2) That assumption is only correct, if the radar use a constant frequency/ PRF rate, because after the initial delay, your jammer can adjust to completely silent enemy radar (since you now know exact frequency and phase of reflected signal in the future). However, if adversary radar constantly frequency hopping and jitters their PRF randomly, then there will be a part of each individual pulse (or sub-pulse in case of pulse compression) that you can’t “cancel” because your signal need to overlap with radar return to cause destructive interference. For example,in photo below, there is a small part of f1, f2, f3 and f4 that can’t be “canceled”, inother words, the “flash” will show up multiple times
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    You might think, this part is small and negligible but leading-edge-tracking (aka taking measurements not according to where the center of the return signal is but rather at the leading edge .All RGPO/RGPI cover pulse jamming tends to lag the target’s returns by some increment of time) is actually a very common ECCM method

    in reply to: Rafale 2018 Thread: Europe's best Eurocanard #2122363
    garryA
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    [USER=”77826″]XB-70[/USER] Tomcat is referring to self protection jamming (normally deceptive jamming) which is quite different from support jamming (normally noise jamming).
    it is not correct that all form of jamming use board area noise, there are several kind of jamming that need precise phase/frequency characteristic such as cross eye jamming,
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    cross polarization jamming. Common deceptive jamming like range gate pull off or velocity gate pull off or inverse conscan jamming also require you to know the operating frequency of target radars.
    Moreover, you can’t make aircraft RCS become zero, not even with active cancellation, because there will be a delay from when adversary signal hit your airframe and when the jammer can produce a 180 degree out of phase wave, in other words, there is a part of the pulse that you can’t cancel.

    in reply to: Rafale 2018 Thread: Europe's best Eurocanard #2122392
    garryA
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    in reply to: Su-57 News and Discussion -version_we_lost_count!- #2123176
    garryA
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    [USER=”77826″]XB-70[/USER] Internal storage # totally clean configuration. Because your aircraft is still heavier even with internal load.
    Carry weapon externally under wing generate more drag obviously, but it doesn’t really (noticeable)affect the amount of lift you can produce at the same speed (by contrast, if you mount weapons on top of the wing then we have a problem but that very rare to see that configuration).
    Generally your maximum ceiling is dictated by your weight and the amount of lift you can produce. Whether you carry weapons outside or inside, your aircraft still get heavier, and service ceiling figure considered the situation your aircraft is extremely light (very low on fuel, almost no weapons) Technically you can say your aircraft can fly faster and generate more lift with internal load, because the drag is smaller, however at your service ceiling, you are more limited by engine and inlet performer than drag because the air will be extremely thin.
    and just because you carry extended range weapon doesn’t neccesary mean you get to you them at extended range. Simple example would be IADS radar which remain silent most of the time and suddently turn on once in a while. So that why almost no one crusing at their service ceiling in combat, may be with the exception of the U-2

    @paralay: That is incorrect, F-35 and F-22 can deploy weapons from their bay at maximum speed, Su-57 likely follow the same trend

    in reply to: Su-57 News and Discussion -version_we_lost_count!- #2123184
    garryA
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    [USER=”77826″]XB-70[/USER] service ceiling is the maximum usable altitude of an aircraft, it is the density altitude at which flying in a clean configuration, at the best rate of climb airspeed for that altitude and with all engines operating and producing maximum continuous power, will produce a given rate of climb (a typical value might be 100 feet per minute climb or 30 metres per minute,or on the order of 500 feet per minute climb for jet aircraft). Margin to stall at service ceiling is 1.5 g.
    In other words, planes rarely fly at their service ceiling because it requires you to fly at very very low weight and fuel load, while you can barely maneuver. %th gen aircraft will still increase their weight when they carry weapons. Combat ceiling like Stealthflanker said, is at much lower altitude.

    [USER=”70376″]stealthflanker[/USER] In similar condition How far can RAMPAGE fly? the only thing i know besides the diameter and weight is that it can fly 150 km when launched from surface
    http://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone…and-off-weapon

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