I think symbolism, national pride, etc. can be important, but that doesn’t mean buying F/A-50s and other shiny toys is a good idea. There are much better ways for a nation like the Philippines to spend money, even within the military sphere.
Incidentally, on the subject of the Indonesian massacres 1965-67, there’s a thoroughly surreal pseudo-documentary, The Act of Killing, making the rounds at the moment that is well worth a look.
The Hawk seems like a no-brainer given the defense cooperation agreements between the U.K and France. However the French will probably go with the PC-21.
PC-21 would be cheaper and could strengthen prospects for Rafale in Switzerland.
The PFI deal for Voyager is arguably one of the greatest blunders foisted on our military in the last thirty years!
Personally I want the MOD to renegotiate the deal with AirTanker Darth Vader style!
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Why should the West enforce the no-fly zone? Saudi Arabia, Egypt, Morocco, the Emirates, Kuwait, Oman, Algeria, Jordan, Turkey combined should be well able to establish one. If the West does it, it will be blamed for everything. The west will be blamed for not bombing Assad troops, bombing civilians on both sides, not enough bombing, too much bombing, not sending ground forces, sending ground forces… The Arab nations have the means to establish a no-fly zone – let them.
If something like this actually happened the west would just about **** itself, because who says that kind of cooperation and coordinated capability won’t be turned against western interests? America can’t allow anyone else to take the lead in affairs of global significance both for psychological reasons — America sees itself as the arbiter of all things — and pragmatic ones: any uncontrolled power base is a threat. This is why America tries to insert itself into pretty much every regional organisation on the planet, for fear that major decisions might be taken without them.
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How do S-300s help Assad fight the rebels? If anything, given that they can’t have been free and will require resources to employ and maintain, they weaken Assad vs. the rebels!
They really think this is “Good guys vs. Bad Guys” when its just “Secularist powerhungry nutjobs backed by Iran vs. Theocratic powerhungry nutjobs backed by Saudi Arabia”
This is simply the next iteration of the unspoken, brutally realpolitik policy towards Syria that’s been going on for the past two years. To recap, the goal of that policy is to ensnare Iran and Hezbollah into a protracted, resource-draining civil war, with as minimal costs as possible. This is exactly what the last two years have accomplished…. at an appalling toll in lives lost.
This policy doesn’t require any course correction… so long as rebels are holding their own or winning. A faltering Assad simply forces Iran et al into doubling down and committing even more resources. A faltering rebel movement, on the other hand, does require some external support, lest the Iranians actually win the conflict. In a related matter, arming the rebels also prevents relations with U.S. allies in the region from fraying any further.
Whenever you hear Americans (or westerners in general) start talking about humanitarian concerns, human rights, etc. your ears should prick up in much the same way as they would if Russia or North Korea were to do the same. Don’t buy the rhetoric, rather dig to uncover the interests at stake. As Drezner puts it so neatly: it’s the realism, stupid.
All the air forces of the world are confused and just don’t understand the problem as well as you do.
It just wouldn’t be a hopsalot post without an appeal to authority in there somewhere.
just like Brazil fighter procurement and 4th largest economy its faulty assumption. why would this conflict bleed Iran?.
This conflict is making millions of refugees for Jordan/Turkey. Jordan King (country lacks in water) will need even greater hand outs from Saudis to take care of them as they belong to same religious group. similar thing is happening to Turkey. the country is destablized between two extremes. It will need its own bailout from same Arabs. The cost to Arabs for supporting such conflict is many times more. internal societies are torn apart by this conflict of all arab countries.
Not sure if you’ve noticed, but America hates Iran a lot more than it likes anyone else in the region. The fish that got away and all that…
If we’re going to war, could it at least be for some sort of national interest like oil or territory?
There are interests at stake. The interest is to bleed Iran, and the best way to do this is by prolonging the conflict indefinitely, by providing assistance to the side that seems to be on the ropes at the moment — just enough to keep them in the game. Why do you think these revelations are coming out just now?
Following latest rumours this model is a concept model from SAC, which was rejected in the H-X RfP and the real H-X will be a design similar to the B-2 … however I have the feeling that there are actually two completely different and cemplementing projects: one for a long-range strategic bomber and one smaller for a supersonic striker.
I would be surprised to learn that China is pursuing a ‘global reach’ platform so soon. It’s a very large step, one that I’m not sure is commensurate with the measured pace of China’s progress to date, or its apparent level of interest (today) in far-flung parts. I would’ve envisioned a regional bomber by mid-2020s (which this ‘JH-X’ would fit into) followed by a ‘global reach’ platform a decade later. If it is true that China is developing such a platform even now, watch for the alarm bells to sound in Washington and elsewhere…
I don’t know what kind of planet you have to be on to think this is a modern F-105…
If recent images of JH-X are to be taken at face value, this aircraft is the most clear example yet of the emergence of a distinctively Chinese way of war.
Its closest relative would seem to be the FB-22 ‘Strike Raptor’, a proposal to fulfil USAF’s then interim bomber requirement. One of the reasons the FB-22 was not pursued is because it offered insufficient range for USAF requirements. Here we see a contrast, borne of geography, between Chinese and US requirements leading to different solutions. Another point of distinction from recent American practice is the use of side-by-side seating as on Su-34, A-6, F-111, and larger bombers. Note that PLAAF wanted side-by-side seating on JH-7 as well, so this is not a new feature of Chinese thinking. And finally, JH-X is clearly designed to go ‘high and fast’, as distinct from both F-35 and LRS-B.
Of course the United States is not the only point of comparison here: JH-X is distinct also from Su-34. This can largely be explained by the latter’s elongated development cycle on account of the collapse of the Soviet Union; in the longer-term (i.e. ~2030) I would not be at all surprised to see a ‘Strike Firefox’ developed from the current T-50 platform.
And never mind its engines will be choked to dEath at high angles of attack. Everything looks nice and realistic here!
Yeah, just like the B-2. :rolleyes:
This is one of the reasons why I advocate conservatism in defining the scope of requirements. If it can’t be done well, that is to say, if the capability is not robust, then it shouldn’t be done at all. This is why I oppose token capabilities so beloved by the ADF. Three Air Warfare Destroyers; four C-17s (as it was); seven Chinooks, 50 tanks… it’s all rubbish. Makes for good photo ops tho.
EDIT: My response to the ‘create your own air force’ thread illustrates this philosophy.