MIG-29K order has alot of advantages as it is certified multirole plane with active production. It will considerably decrease operating costs compared to legacy Su-33. The carrier is already there so why not operate it?
Because operating the carrier is a very expensive and manpower-consuming business sapping funds that could be used elsewhere to bolster RuN capabilities. MiG-29K may be cheaper than Su-33 but it is certainly not cheaper than nothing!
it is the building of further carriers that will be very slow process that will reduce its operational value against counter systems in development. PAK-DA is priority.
I agree that Russia has many greater priorities than new aircraft carriers. Russia is rebuilding its capabilities in a generally sensible fashion, de-emphasising Navy in the past and within Navy focusing on small combatants and submarines. Yet I believe that we will see new carriers enter Russian service before 2030.
It is the utility of carriers that is decreasing world wide.
Perhaps this is so, but that doesn’t mean anyone is going to stop building them. If anyone was likely to jump off the wagon, it would be Russia — unlike the United States it is not over-committed to the platform, and unlike China, India, France, UK and Brazil it does not need them for symbolic reasons. But if Russia was planning to do this there would’ve been no MiG-29K order and Gorshkov would likely already be gone. If 2-3 carriers are of limited utility, one is well-nigh useless and an extraordinary waste of limited RuN resources. The continued operation of Gorshkov makes sense only if there are additional carriers in Russia’s future.
this is good for china because c17 is too expensive and russia decide not to make new cargo plane. market is chinas!
What market? Everyone who can afford aircraft A400M size or greater is building their own.
No need to fight! Lightning, Draken, and Hunter all look good … as does Phantom for that matter.
From the enthusiast perspective, one of the more unfortunate aspects of industry and project consolidation and the exit of some nations from the game entirely is the loss of variety; this is an aesthetic loss, a loss of cultural expression, and also narrows the possibilities for discussion. Going forward, instead of having F-16, F/A-18, Harrier, A-10, Tornado and Phantom to talk about, compare, and drool over we will have … F-35. And I don’t know about anyone else, but I’m already sick of that aircraft. :p
Brazil would be foolish to go with the Americans, but one cannot dismiss the possibility that the Brazilians are fools.
OTOH, if it is true that Brazil is dissatisfied with level of ToT cooperation from France re: Scorpene, then perhaps the French are fools also.
Russian Defense Ministry intends to develop based on the Yak-130 is a new strike aircraft
http://www.aviaport.ru/digest/2013/06/05/256530.html
So this is being revived. In preference to modernised Su-25? (Su-39M?)
The general said that the establishment of such an aircraft would require upgrading standard engine AI-222-25, with an increase in thrust to 3000 lbs.
Not quite sure how to interpret this given that the engine currently delivers in excess of 5000lbs static thrust. An increase of 3000lbs also seems implausible unless referring to an afterburner…
EDIT: maybe an increase of 3000lbs for the aircraft, i.e. +1500lbs per engine? This would still represent a near 30% increase in thrust, but is perhaps plausible if the current variant is detuned for the trainer role…
india should just cancel and buy all f35. none of mrca aircraft give strong edge over neighbors new aircraft but f35 can.
Weren’t you just saying that India should strive for strategic independence like China?
that is why china try to do things on their own. india need to realize that it should not depend on outside for so much.
indians smart, they can make their own things if they have courage.
:rolleyes: :rolleyes:
PAK-DA, upgrade to bomber fleet, air refuellers will practically delay or abandoned the need of carriers. Hypersonic missiles will need larger aircraft . and modern BMD ships are much more effective in area defence.
2 to 3 carriers means realistically only one in operations with medium size short range aircraft. no even enough to deal with Libya.
Without getting into a debate about the utility of aircraft carriers for Russia, I think it is reasonable to assume that there will be future aircraft carriers for Russia. I think four would be the optimal number, but I don’t know if Russia can afford this. Frankly, if Russia doesn’t intend to expand its carrier capabilities in future then Gorshkov should’ve been decommissioned years ago.
I doubt it. All the ancillary costs with F-1 will be higher than JF-17 for the simple reason … France vs. China. Look at how expensive India’s Mirage 2000 upgrade was.
Which is not to say that I think F-1 for Argentina would be a bad idea. If they are determined to stay within the ‘western sphere’ then it is undoubtedly the best option.
Speculating on the fine-grained details of contract negotiations from the public vantage point is a complete waste of time. It is entirely expected that each partner will attempt to secure the best possible deal for themselves. The negotiations will ultimately succeed because neither France nor India can afford to let them fail. Until then, there is little for us to do but wait.
If Poland was replacing Su-22s with Avenger I wouldn’t have a problem. Nice system with the wrong nation behind it. Should be a Swedish project.
What’s the latest on A-40 MPA/ASW — is this definitely going ahead?
As for Fulcrum for Air Force vs. Navy … realistically Russian carrier capabilities are still in skills maintenance mode; the objective with MiG-29K was to get fresh airframes at low cost; RuAF is now operating in a higher gear. It will only be from mid-2020s that we see the true emergence of Russian carrier capability, with multiple new carriers (at least two, hopefully three) paired with new aircraft, i.e. LMFS.
If you consider that SAAB continued to promote Gripen in India even after the MMRCA decision, Canada must really be sown up in advance…
Wow, some great shots there.
EDIT: Youtube link for those who prefer it to Vimeo: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RQquk5ql8y8
Does Russia have any plans to field a Global Hawk/Soar Dragon equivalent?
Now this is interesting News!
A New EW jammer being tested:
For Su-34?