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  • in reply to: F35 debate thread- enter at your own risk. #2275535
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    F-35’s combat radius is far short of USAF and USN desires.

    An excellent reason not to spend a trillion dollars on the program.

    Of course, this is my opinion written from a US long-term capability-centric needs perspective

    Good. Let us have more of this long-term, big-picture thinking. And as you’ve already noted, one of the first things one notices from this perspective is how irrelevant F-35 is to it all.

    (If you think F-35’s capabilities are too expensive for NATO members, then LRS is an order of magnitude worse).

    And an order of magnitude more irrelevant. Denmark does not aspire to project power halfway across the globe.

    in reply to: F35 debate thread- enter at your own risk. #2275690
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    It’s really quite simple. One must achieve cost-effective recapitalization in the short-term, and field a high-end capability in the long-term. The F-35 fails in the short-term by virtue of being too expensive (and unnecessarily gold-plated) and in the long-term by virtue of being non-competitive with emerging threats. The solution in the short-term is existing (or near-enough) platforms such as Gripen for the Europeans and Super Hornet for the US Navy. USAF and USMC are ******, but that’s their own fault, and circumstances are currently permissive enough that the lesson — not to waste the taxpayer’s money or attempt to force the taxpayer’s hand — can and should be taught. Britain/Italy/Spain would also be ******, but there’s a lesson for them in that too — and Italy/Spain can’t afford to maintain the capability in any case. For the longer term there’s F/A-XX, NGAD, and whatever the Europeans come up with for the same timeframe, and one should ensure that those programs are adequately funded instead of being starved by the ongoing F-35 monster.

    Of course these are words for five or more years ago. The monster is all but unstoppable at this point, sans the kind of political will that is entirely absent from the world’s democracies today. America will survive it because it is large and wealthy enough to survive all kinds of foolishness; the Europeans will survive it (in the same sense that Austria survived its foolish Typhoon acquisition) because there’s nothing on the threat board anyway. Australia … well, our F-35s will still be putting about the sky when the successors to J-20 start poking around. History will not look kindly upon our current crop of leaders and planners.

    I’m sure Israel will be happy with their free jets tho.

    in reply to: F35 debate thread- enter at your own risk. #2275790
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    You mean deliver more like:

    • A single 4-ship of F-35s can enter the defended battlespace without a circus of CAP, SEAD, jammers and tankers which a Gen 4 strike package would require. It is easy to forget about the cost of the protective circus and complain about the cost of F-35.
    • Use stealth to bypass IADS strongpoints? Where a Gen 4 would have to roll back SAMs via SEAD and jammer support. And how many additional Gen 4 sorties would it take to roll back the IADS? And how much do those sorties cost?
    • Use ESM and stealth to either avoid or ambush DCA? While Gen 4 requires CAP to stay alive. And what is the cost of the additional CAP?
    • Use on-board sensors networked within the F-35 four-ship to find, fix, track and target the enemy’s relocatable kit who is using sophisticated camouflage, concealment and deception techniques? Where Gen 4 would waste munitions on decoys, requiring more sorties to finally destroy the real targets (Bosnia Kosovo lesson). And how many additional sorties are needed to kill the decoys and real targets? And how much do those additional sorties cost?
    • Guide network enabled weapons to moving targets while the ring of protecting SAMs are furiously trying to stop the attack.

    If your expected use over the next 30 years is performing fly-bys on national holidays, or bombing AK-47 wielding insurgents riding in the back of a truck, then keep the Gen 4 jets.

    In other words, if one is a vassal of the United States and intends to join it in its future misadventures against mid-level nations such as Iran, then by all means bleed the treasury dry to acquire F-35 in numbers so limited as to be ineffective as an independent air arm.

    If, on the other hand, one is a sovereign nation interested primarily in defending one’s airspace and territory and retaining a independent air arm, buy something else.

    Note that in the “pro-F35” corner it doesn’t actually matter how much the jet costs (so long as one can afford a token force) or how little it actually delivers or how late — it’s not meant to be used for anything anyway. All it has to do is show up at the next roll call of the ‘bullied and the bought’. The blithe indifference amongst the military and political elite throughout the program’s troubled history makes rather more sense in this context — the purchase is intended only as the material component of the submissiveness needed to maintain American commitment to one’s security.

    in reply to: F35 debate thread- enter at your own risk. #2276077
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    NH-90 and Tiger have also failed in areas not linked to platform maturity, largely very poor vendor support including spare parts availability.

    You don’t think those items are linked to platform maturity? At the very least if a mature platform was facing such issues that would be a known quantity.

    As for F-35 being a Powerpoint aircraft, isn’t that why there is such a large time gap between initial selection of the aircraft and actual purchase contract signing?

    And yet that initial F-35 decision led us all-but-inexorably to where we are today. The responsible thing would’ve been to not participate in the F-35 program, to order F-15AU as a replacement for the F-111 in the mid-2000s, and to conduct a competitive evaluation for a Hornet replacement at the appropriate time… that is to say, around about now.

    So by that thinking, are you suggesting Australia, Canada etc maybe purchase Shornet’s as a stop gap and then when the JSF is then MOTS it will suddenly work and be worth purchasing ?

    If one needs an aircraft in the time period before F-35 is a known quantity then one chooses from the aircraft that’re available. No interim acquisitions, no buying into a program 15 years ahead of time.

    in reply to: F35 debate thread- enter at your own risk. #2276419
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    I don’t see it as being that simple. The NH-90 and Tiger were both procured by the ADF after an open tender. In both cases, what has been delivered is not what was promised by the wining bidder in their tender.

    The rule-of-thumb should be to procure off-the-shelf (or near enough) unless there’s a very good reason to do otherwise. Notice that this would’ve ruled out both NH90 and F-35.

    Meanwhile, direct source contracts for the F-18F and C-17 have delivered capabilities that have worked as advertised, with no surprises.

    Ordering a Powerpoint aircraft (F-35) is not at all the same thing as ordering an in-service, in-production platform. The equivalent analogy would be ordering F-35 in 2025, or F/A-18F back in 1995.

    in reply to: F35 debate thread- enter at your own risk. #2276427
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    Congratulations to Canada for exercising responsible governance, albeit under duress. Still, if only the same could be said of Australia. =/

    in reply to: A new strike aircraft in development at Groom Lake? #2276597
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    But then the same was said about the loss of the Blackbird in the early 90s and some people still think no secret projects were developed to fill the capability gap…

    Totally different scale of investment required, no clear operational requirement, different geopolitcal and budgetary environment.

    in reply to: A new strike aircraft in development at Groom Lake? #2276748
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    the article is much more interesting…

    Indeed; not sure why you didn’t link to Bill Sweetman’s article directly.

    In any case it’s certainly plausible enough. Particularly insofar as there are obviously applications for a VLO Global Hawk-class ISR platform and yet no such thing appears to exist or be in development.

    in reply to: F35 debate thread- enter at your own risk. #2277188
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    So is the LM Cuda HTK missile the answer to the F35’s relative shortage of AAM in LO configuration?

    Profit by creating the problem, then profit some more by solving it. Brilliant. :p

    in reply to: A new strike aircraft in development at Groom Lake? #2277222
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    Supposedly, it has either a single engine or multiple

    I lol’d.

    No, no, zero engine!

    in reply to: F35 debate thread- enter at your own risk. #2277497
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    LOL. Sometimes you sound like a political science major who went to one too many lectures given by some crusty old ex-hippie academic who is still living in his own personal glory days of the early 1970s…….. 😀

    History and Philosophy major. 😉

    Actually I don’t consider it that unlikely a possibility. The United States is already a militaristic and nationalistic state and over the next decades it will encounter both internal and external stressors pushing it further in that direction. Frankly, the signs are not encouraging. I expect the late 2020s through early 2030s — the tipping point, as it were — to be a very delicate time in world affairs.

    in reply to: F35 debate thread- enter at your own risk. #2277529
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    Even the best case scenario will have a negative impact on the F-35 procurement procedures and timetables (SYP/MYP) outlined above by LowObservable. It’s not inconceivable F-35 procurement could be cut to divert ca$h to more pressing programmes in a decade’s time.

    Indeed; there’s a lot of uncertainty, but it’s all in the direction of just how many fewer F-35s there’ll be than the 2500 spoken of a decade ago and still dreamt of today: 500? 1000? 1500? The latter is a worst-case scenario, assuming a return to 90s military budgeting coupled with termination of production by 2030 as new platforms come online. But I doubt that the United States is sensible enough to do those things.

    Of course if the United States descends into fascism and embarks on a massive rearmaments program at the expense of all other priorities, North Korea-style, then any number of F-35s are possible. I guess folks are right — one should keep an open mind about these things. /shrug

    in reply to: Future Warfare? #2277627
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    This does require your politicians have the will to use the deterrent. That is why nukes are no longer a deterrent — nobody has the stones to use them.

    Which nuclear power has faced and failed to deter an existential threat? True, Israel’s nukes didn’t dissuade Egypt, Syria, et. al in 1973 but that was a conflict with limited objectives and the Israelis knew it (and they won anyway) — they weren’t facing the prospect of being ‘pushed into the sea’. Nor was Britain in the Falklands.

    Nuclear weapons are effective only within a very limited sphere, but within that sphere there is little indication that they are ineffective.

    in reply to: F35 debate thread- enter at your own risk. #2277633
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    1763 is still the planned number for the USAF. It’s not been revised for a few years. We’ll have to wait & see whether it happens.

    It has about as much chance of happening as 130 B-2s or 700 Raptors. In order to hit 2500 F-35s in US service the Pentagon’s own docs have production continuing through 2040 at rates that are, frankly, unlikely to be realised given the budgetary situation and ongoing program issues. But you can keep fantasizing about 2500 F-35s in US service if you like.

    Mind you, I’m sure China would love to see the United States still pouring money into F-35 decades from now at the expense of relevant platforms such as F/A-XX, UCAVs, NGB, etc.

    in reply to: F35 debate thread- enter at your own risk. #2277675
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    The USAF alone plans to buy 1,763 As http://news.yahoo.com/u-air-force-sticking-plans-buy-1-763-011218618–finance.html

    Nonsense. F-35 production for US requirements will almost certainly cease around 2030, and planned and likely future build rates will simply not allow for anything like the ~2500 F-35s that were planned way back in the day. There’s no point in revising that figure with another, almost equally arbitrary figure — given that nobody has any idea what costs and budgets will look like post-2020 — but that in no way translates to that initial figure being at all plausible in 2012.

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