Harrier would be a disaster for the Brazilian Navy even if it were operationally feasible. The operational value of Sao Paulo and her air wing is minimal. Prestige value aside, the point is to maintain the skillsets to operate a CATOBAR carrier and air wing such that when the time comes for Brazil to build a first-class carrier with first-class aircraft and capabilities to support its hegemonic ambitions, the task is a relatively simple one. As Britain has discovered, once traded away, such capabilities are difficult to recover and this significantly constricts one’s options.
It’s kinda hilarious how off-topic this thread is.
F-35 is out of the question for Brazil because Brazil’s future ambition is to be a player on the world stage, not a vassal. TOT is an even greater issue here than it was for India.
On the subject of Super Hornet: it’s a relatively niche aircraft. Given the circumstances of its development, how could it be anything else? The different narratives that folks are able to spin about it from the same set of uncontroversial facts … well, it’s all very ‘humanities’ isn’t it? 😉
The RAAF is not the first place I would look for savings in the ADF, but if pushed…
– Cancel F-35 acquisition
– Acquire limited number (~24) additional Super Hornets instead. Possibly Fs in light of coordination advantages with future UCAVs.
– Beginning immediately, progressively mothball Hornets with aim of extending service life of type till ~2025 if necessary.
– Plan for UCAV acquisition in early-mid 2020s (replacing most if not all Hornets remaining in service) and acquisition of 6th-gen combat aircraft in late 2020s-early 2030s.
Goal is to to reduce near-term costs and combat strength whilst preserving (and even enhancing) long-term potentialities relative to current plans.
Would also take a long, hard look at helicopter types in service.
30-ton J-20? That’s with 10 tons of fuel I assume…
*snicker*
Brazil will piggyback off either France or Sweden for its 5th generation ambitions. Indeed I suspect Brazilian requirements will go a long way towards defining the characteristics and timeframe of post-NG and post-Rafale developments. FX-2, even moreso than MMRCA, is less about airframes for the air force(s) than securing a long-term strategic and industrial partnerships.
Anticipating some objections here: for those doubting Brazil’s 5th generation ambitions, refer to the NSD ’08 document. For those doubting Brazil’s ability to finance such ambitions, refer to long-term economic projections from just about anyone. For those doubting the ability of Brazilian industry to integrate and contribute to such advanced technology projects, refer, umm, Embraer.
What advantages does the NH-90 family offer over established platforms such as S-70?
However I put this article more interested with some statement that the ‘political’ mainstream in Australia has changes some of their objections for Nuclear Subs, and begin ‘seriously’ considering them for RAN. Politicians ‘usually’ does not change their mood on something that consider sensitive, if they don’t sense changing mood also from their constituents. Will Australian public more acceptable with the idea of nuclear subs in RAN?
The last Liberal government went to the 2007 election with nuclear power on the agenda and lost. Since then we’ve had Fukushima. I doubt the climate for nuclear power is any more favourable now than it has historically been when the answer has remained ‘no’.
Abbott’s claim that a Liberal government would investigate nuclear powered submarines made me laugh on a number of different levels:
(1) Echoes of Labor promises to press the US for access to the F-22, later revealed — courtesy of Wikileaks — to be lies. The Libs here are just looking to harness the nuclear crowd in the same way as Labor did the anti-JSF crowd, and with about as much commitment.
(2) Reflexive bum-licking of Americans, as with — following the Labor announcement re: US base in Darwin — the coalition saying that if it were in power it would approve two bases instead. It’s like a race to see who can gag deepest on American ****.
If India can operate Nuke’s and I believe Aussies can do that also. Heck even Brazil seriously considering going Nuke’s at least on some their future subs. Australia maybe have smaller economy than India, but have more affluent and more ‘better’ trained population bases. Thus I believe getting 6 nukes (you don’t have to go for 12 SSK as originally plan if you can get SSN), will be still in my opinion doable for RAN.
It’s not a question of ‘can’, it’s a question of ‘need’ vs. all the other demands on the defence and public purses. As you say, Australia is an advanced — and not particularly militaristic — nation. You can’t just nick off with 10% of the national budget to pursue some pet project like you can in some other countries. 😉
However going with US option (even though Virginia perhaps give more challenge to operate for RAN compared to Barracuda), can provide much needed nuclear supporting infrastructure (including waste fuel disposal), that this sensitive issues can be handle. I do not know if going with French will provide same kind of support that USN can provide.
It also creates total dependence on the United States. You may as well rechristen the RAN the US 11th Fleet.
Aren’t there a ton of Australians still bitter over Darwin?
Unfortunately the mainstream political establishment is intent on maximising the chances of a repeat of Darwin by hosting American forces there. When the Chinese MRBMs land and drag Australia into a ruinous conflict it could’ve avoided, I’ll be the one saying “I told you so.”
wow. how little you know. research before you spout an opinion
Please, do enlighten me as to exactly what we have to offer the Japanese in this or, umm, any other field. :rolleyes:
Is this credible option ? http://afr.com/p/national/us_floats_nuclear_subs_option_uPMgRrev3KjNwBLfFxpdeO
Seems there’s increasing Political will within Australia it self on operating nuke’s subs. If US also willing to provide support for nuclear subs, this will reduced the need to developed in-house nuclear support infrastructure within Australia (which I believe is one of the main arguments for not operating nuclear by RAN).
I think I just threw up in my mouth a bit.
Everything else aside, the crewing requirements of the Virginia class should be enough to sink the idea as they did the Arleigh Burke class for the Air Warfare Destroyer programme.
If Australia needs to go nuclear — and I don’t think we do — the French Barracuda is by far the more sensible option.

“Kinda small for a fighter, isn’t it?”
//Australian Parliamentary Review Process
Oh… I’m so sorry :(, I was wrong of link!!!
This is of link about PAKFA: http://svodka.net/analitika/obozrenie/241192
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Just in time for Syria and Iran!
well, the fact is: it doesn’t.. unless not yet.
Well it bloody well should. :p
These clowns who want to saddle Switzerland with the running costs (moreso than the acquisition cost) of another twinjet should be ashamed of themselves. There is only so much a nation of 7 million people can afford, and there is more to the defence of the nation than fast jets. There is no doubt that Gripen is the right choice.
Depending on how you define ‘best’ it’s a reasonable candidate. Not the Su-27 specifically but rather the entire Flanker family of aircraft.
In any case, everyone pimps their own ****. It’s not a ridiculous claim to get worked up over.
With Japan, I would have thought that the way to go was for a joint design with them, not buying Japanese made subs, but still manufacturing them is Australia.
Joint design suggests equal partners, which Japan and Australia are not. We have nothing to offer the Japanese save our monies.