I still wonder how ‘serious’ Japan is bout the ATD-X? Does the government REALLY intend to induct it or is it simply a make work project for Mitsubishi Aerospace since production of the F-2 will end in September 2011 and leaving the industry in limbo would lead to a loss of jobs and specialized skills?
ATD-X is only planned to enter service in late 2020s, the 2014 (or whatever) demonstrator is just one step in long-term project. That’s why industry is desperate for a bridge. Needless to say F-35 is in the poorest position of the candidates to act as such on account of latest potential production start date and least development prospects for industry.
Well then I would be interested in hearing your arguments for your position, if you don’t mind sharing them 🙂
Operational:
Japan’s requirements are largely defensive in nature. A2A-centric with limited A2G requirements. JASDF’s most modern platform, the F-2, is A2G-centric.
JASDF’s A2G requirements, such as they are, do not call for a stealthy, penetrating bomb truck but rather a stand-off missile truck. The F-35 is limited in internal carriage of anti-ship weapons and other cruise missiles, and external carriage both strips the F-35 of its greatest advantage over the other platforms, and – per data showing stuff-all benefit for F-35 from EFTs – likely compromises its range to an unusual degree. Super Hornet is of course a better missile truck than Typhoon, particularly Typhoon in its current state, but A2A performance – the primary criterion – is a different story.
Industrial:
Japan will be looking to use this program to further develop its industrial capabilities as a bridge between F-2 and ATD-X. They’re not going to want to be limited in their ability to develop the aircraft. F-35 would impose significant constraints on Japan in this respect whereas Super Hornet and Typhoon would not. Japanese industry has lobbied against F-35 upon this basis.
However where Typhoon edges out Super Hornet is in its development potential. The maturity of the Super Hornet platform arguably works against it in this respect. The Japanese can do all sorts of things to Typhoon, and the program is in such a dire financial state that they can essentially dictate terms to the existing Eurofighter partners whilst using their resources to mitigate costs to Japan. US in contrast has little interest in developing Super Hornet.
Political:
When the DPJ came to power a couple years back they upset a half-century of LDP rule. One of the DPJ’s election platforms was the promise to renegotiate relationship between Japan and the US, to restore Japan’s dignity as an independent nation. To this end, promise was made to evict Americans from Okinawa. The Japanese government failed to achieve this, and Prime Minister Hatoyama was forced to resign as a result.
The ability of the Japanese government to come through on its promise to the citizenry has been hampered by Japanese security realities, i.e. Japanese economic lethargy in face of rising China, and most recently they’ve suffered further humiliation by having to accept significant US aid in response to tsunami. Essentially, the Japanese government is desperate for a way to signal its independence from the US that doesn’t actually compromise its relationship with the US and thereby harm Japanese interests.
Typhoon is that symbol.
You are joking I assume?
No.
Typhoon on account of the triple alignment of operational, industrial and political interests.
I imagine that’s the lighting…
Oh. I thought the new/upcoming contract (i.e. the one F-35 and F-15SE will compete for) was to replace both F-4 and F-5. Dunno where I read that but replacing F-5 with F/A-50 would certainly seem the more natural progression.
I guess the other question is whether there’s really any place for a light fighter in the modern environment for a nation of Korea’s considerable resources.
It depends what’s the future for KAI F/A-50, even in Korea. With KFX in the process, F/A-50 can be redundant.
Why doesn’t Korea use F/A-50 to replace its F-5s instead of courting still more medium-heavy fighters from foreign sources? :confused:
You’re all missing what’s really important here: USMC beat USAF!
Into the second week of April. Still no short list…’Yawns’
I hear that.
Pure bias flaming with false sources!
GoldenPawn: Dassault’s QRA unit. :p
The army will loose all their tanks.
If only we were that smart.
FYI British Bombers (we don’t call them Boomers, as in english that has a rude conotation) all have ‘V’ names, Vanguard, Vigilant, Vengeance and Victorious. Our SSNs have ‘S’ names (out of service now), ‘T’ names (Trafalgar, Turbulent, Tireless, Torbay, Trenchant, Talent, and Triumph), and the new ‘A’ class (Astute, Ambush, Artful, Audacious, Agamemnon, Anson and Ajax). RN SSNs have no nuclear weapons on board.
May I just say that I’ve always loved the way the Royal Navy names (most) of its ships. Beats the hell out of naming them after cities or politicians. Queen Elizabeth excepted.
Don’t mind me, I’m just uncomfortable with the whole ‘feel’ of this affair. In retrospect I shouldn’t have said anything, carry on.
Oh dear. At least it didn’t happen whilst the boat was at sea.
RIP to the one that passed away, and hopefully the second makes it through OK.
+1
The ‘Commonwealth frigate’ (UK/CAN/AUS/NZ) is a nice idea and worth pursuing so far as it goes, but ultimately I doubt it’ll pan out.
Cooperation on OP(C)Vs is even less likely I think. One of the frontrunners to fulfil the Australian requirement is a scaled-down version of Austal’s trimaran design for the US Navy’s Littoral Combat Ship program. Would such a design even be suitable for operations in the North Atlantic? :confused: