Looks like F-35 style serrated nozzles. No TVC then, I guess.
As for its place in future Chinese orbat, other than as a carrier-based fighter I think it confronts the same question as F-35 for the US, i.e. does it have the range that China needs in an aircraft for the superpower era? To put it another way, does PLAAF actually need a medium-size fifth generation aircraft?
Not sure what’s so remarkable about a glide bomb that would occasion so much excitement?
Nice comparison shot — and yeah, the D-30s are looking their age.
It was my understanding that the 36 aircraft signed for are only intended to replace the Mirage IIIs and 2000s that have already been retired, with the F-5EMs and AMX to be replaced by follow-on orders.
Setting up that production line with only 15 aircraft committed to being built on it could be intended to guarantee funding for follow-on orders. It’s harder for politicians to dither the way they did in the last 10-15 years when doing so would result in a domestic production line, employing Brazilian voters, closing down.
However the problem with only committing to 36 aircraft initially is that it not only limits economies of scale with the first order, but puts SAAB in a powerful negotiating position for follow-on orders. Brazil probably would’ve been better off committing to a larger number of aircraft, even while seeking more flexible terms regarding ongoing financing, delivery/production rates, etc.
Hadn’t heard this rumour, but seems to me the only aircraft ‘bigger’ than Y-20 or J-20 would be H-X.
Or Long March 9 😉
Regardless of the rumour’s provenance, it seems best not to get one’s hopes up. These things will come when they come.
Given the mild success in Chinese fighter exports prior to this thing, my expectations are accordingly low.
I would expect J-31 export prospects to be fairly limited also — beyond the obvious candidate of Pakistan — but not because it isn’t any good. Being in the same class as F-35, it is hardly a ‘light’ aircraft and would be out of reach of many nations, and most nations that can afford it will be tied up elsewhere, geopolitically incompatible, or both.
But here is a name for folks to think about: Saudi Arabia.
Reminds me of the discussion on SDF when it was build quality of Chinese warships under the spotlight. That discussion was amply put to bed with the following image of Mistral hull under right photographic conditions:
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I expect the same is true here.
Said to be an OFFICIAL CGI from AVIC depicting how the production AMF will look like.
Absence of even 2D TVC is disappointing. Hopefully it is just promo art.
A preliminary feasibility study and actual development are hardly the same thing.
via Tango III in the main news thread:
Eurofighter Eyes Typhoon Sale, Assembly in Indonesia
Eurofighter is holding out the possibility of Indonesia assembling the Typhoon if the Southeast Asian nation acquires the fighter in an anticipated upcoming competition.
The four-nation consortium is beating the drum for a possible Typhoon sale on its first official appearance at the Indo Defence show, which opens in the capital Jakarta Wednesday.
In a statement ahead of the show opening, Alberto Gutierrez, Eurofighter’s CEO, said the consortium is ready to work as needed with the Indonesian aerospace industry on developing indigenous capability but in the shorter term the company is willing to discuss ways in which intermediate requirements are met.
Gutierrez said there had “already been a number of useful meetings” between interested parties but it was “too early” to go into detail.
Yeah … I don’t see it. The only strengths a Typhoon proposal has over Gripen NG are that it is (1) arguably a better fall-back against the failure of KF-X* and (2) less vulnerable to American embargo**. Against this one has to weigh the significantly higher costs involved, and the diminished prospects for further regional sales benefiting Indonesian industry.
One consideration to bear in mind for both Gripen and Typhoon is that each uses one of the candidate engines for KF-X, potentially leading to the prospect of TNI-AU being able to share some logistical support across the two types, albeit at the cost of exposing a greater proportion of the fleet to embargo from a single source.
* But at an operational (as opposed to industrial) level that isn’t a major concern anyway. If KF-X doesn’t work out, there is always PAK FA, and the Americans may be ready to offer F-35 by then as well.
** But with esp. UK involved, is it really that much less vulnerable to embargo?
This ‘gotcha’ style of posting is becoming tiresome
The operational and strategic utility of Sao Paulo (or a single successor vessel) is limited and largely symbolic. But Sao Paulo exists and, as a consequence, Brazil is one of only three nations with current CATOBAR experience, and if practical this capability should be preserved* for future generations when Brazil is able to take advantage of it more effectively**. Brazil has already demonstrated its commitment to doing just that, and the path forward, if ambitious, is not beyond reach. The benign threat environment allows Brazil to divide its admirably limited military budgets in ways markedly different from the norm, with a high emphasis on domestic industrial development as well as developing and maintaining the skillsets and capabilities of a modern military force. Maximising the extent of those capabilities is simply not a factor, either in qualitative (e.g. F-35/Flanker vs. Gripen) or quantitative terms. Such depth will come with greater national resources in future generations, and when it does it will be largely indigenous in nature, owing to the wise investments made in the past. Other developing nations (such as India) only wish they were so lucky in being able to take this route, rather than attempting to develop their indigenous capabilities whilst simultaneously having to maintain large standing forces against extant threats.
* Much as France and Russia are currently preserving their skillsets with CdG and Adm. Kuz. The UK has already shown us how difficult it is to get these capabilities back once they have been lost.
** By 2030, Brazil’s GDP will be on par with France and the UK. Before 2050, it will become the fourth largest economy in the world, with annual military budgets comfortable exceeding those of Fr/UK even if Brazil’s commitment remains at ~1.5% of GDP vs. >2% for those nations.
Good to hear that Russia “is interested in” the new heavy lift helicopter. Never made much sense to me that they wouldn’t be, but I was beginning to worry that it was just another design assistance program like WZ-10.
Regarding the joint Sino-Russian widebody project, is there any prospect that this is related to the elliptical Frigate Ecojet concept/project?