I agree with Damien’s last post that because one group has made a mess of things that the location of Bruntingthorpe should not be dragged down, unfortunatly mud sticks. It must be remembered that many things go on at Bruntingthorpe, not all connected with aviation, aircraft have arrived at Bruntingthorpe for the sole purpose of being broken up for scrap (B747 and Tristar)
I think (?) I am right when I say that the airfield and hangars are owned by the Walton family. Thus the various aircraft owners and companies only pay rent. What, if any, aircraft do the Waltons own? did the Vulcan not pass to The Vulcan Operating Company (TVOC)
And a repeated question what ever happed to the British Aviation Heritage museum that was proposed by the Waltons several years ago.
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Moggy C you seem to be making a case that the Walton family only obtained the Vulcan and the other aircraft in order to make money from them ie for their own personnel gain? If this is so then why should the HLF be expected to provide the money to restore them.
I would like to think that a reasonable income could be made from the entrance fees from a good museum within which the Vulcan and other could be housed. Even better if the museum can offer the sight and sound of real live aircraft, Vulcan, Victor et al. I would be interested to know of any Uk museum or collection which that claims to make a profit.
I will repeat a point made some time ago, when XH558 was flown to Bruntingthorpe she was ‘donated’ with an agreement that she would be cared for as part of the nations heritage. I believe that the actions of the last few years have done the reverse and a once servicable and active aircraft has been reduced to little more than scrap.
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Meteor and Canberra. Both great success stories for British Engineering, with world wide sales in the face of stiff competiton from America and France.
Hunter. A pure aerodynamic shape, think of the first aeroplane that you sketched as a child, it probaly look like a Hunter F4.
Credit due to all those involved in flying these classic jets, there operating cost must be the same, if not greater than that of the WW2 warbird, with an asset value a fraction of the price.
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The museum at Southampton is already full so where will the Swift go? I seem to remember plans for a combined air and sea museum at a new river front site being talked about any body out there connected with the Southampton Museum care to comment?
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Gannet at Fairford ? Surely RIAT missed the opertunity to have this aircraft on show last weekend.
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To DIGBY and all the other ‘knockers’. You make the point that the TFC Engineers were working hard to correct an undercarrige problem. Why rush? As has been said the aircraft will hopefully be seen flying for many more years to come so for the legends weekend why could it not be left in an unfixed condition and positioned outside for everybody to photograph, not just the choosen few with media passes and unlimited access to Duxford Airfield. As for the danger of the undercarrige collasping surely there are such things as locking pins?
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Spoils of war. Many exhibits on show in the UK museums could be considered ‘stolen’. Maybe the IWM should be on the look out for examples of Iraqi Migs with which to illustrate the first Gulf war.
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We all love the colour scheme, we all appreicate the time , money and deciation that has gone into the Hurricane’s rebuild and we all give thanks to TFC and Hawker Restorations for doing it and getting to Duxford in time for the Legends. It was without doubt one of the stars of the show. So, as Willow has said why was it not given a ‘star’ billing and allowed to bask in the glourious sunshine, on the flightline next to the other Hurricanes. Surely the undercarriage problem could have waited 48 hours to be fixed, allowing the engineers time to either work on other things, or better still let them enjoy the show! It has been said that the aircraft was in full view but not everbody would have gone to look in every hanger and from a photographic point of view it was just another aircraft in a cluttered hangar.
A great shame and an oppertunity missed.
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Why have all the replies so far centred on the bad weather and traffic jams? Surley all out door public events suffer from these promblems, and there is very little that the organsiers can do about the weather and if large numbers of people turn up then the show can have been judged a success.
What really does make a bad airshow is the totla lack of consideration show by teh organsiers when parking aircrfat in the static, I can think of very few major show over the last twenty years which have not suffer in this way.
Why do IAT insist on placing blue and white cones in front of everthing.
Why did Mildenhall always park spare aircraft out of sight on the far side when there was ample space in the static.
Why does Waddington always park aircraft so close together and have rope and barriers so close to the aircraft taht you can touch them.
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I don’t like posting other peoples rumours when I have not idea of its authenticity, but this appeared yesterday on MSF
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i have been told by the owner of the following info.
MW404 tempest he has sold this aircraft in france
MW401 tempest this aircraft is stored offsite near gamston and parts are
being used in the rebuild of the aircraft in hangar 5 at the airfield.
MW763 tempest this is the aircraft in hangar 5 at gamston airfield which
is almost finished and is owned by a mr cooper.
a seperate source reveals that tempest MW810 is also living in france.
i hope this is of use to someone.
Could it be one of those large scale flying models, maybe a FW190 or Sea Fury?
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I would agree that owning and flying a Sea Fury is not cheap and the airshow organisers should expect to pay the asking price for her to display. But it is shame that when so many events are held at Kemble that the Sea Fury can not be presented in the static display. Instead the aircraft remains hidden in a hangar, giving the impression, wrongly, that she is unwanted, unloved and no longer airworthy.
Best of luck with the Sea Fury’s presence at Fairford and lets hope some enterprizing airshow is prepared to put their hands into their pockets to sponors her return to display flying. Does John Bradshaw still do much flying, I have not seen his red civil Provost T1 for years.
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To Pmills
I can fully understand the insurance problems associated with the engine runs a public events. Could the insurance problem be over come by selling a very limited number, say 30, tickets to enthusiasts on the basis of it being a ‘photo day’ where the photographers can request either clear shots or set pieces with period dress ect. I know that I have said this before but given the right conditions I think I could be a money spinner, I would guess that the video boys would love it. Advertise it the photographic press and you will get the non aviation people as well.
We all know that photograghers are rich B****s so why not milk them for all their worth :o)
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ps If this idea takes off I would be very pleased to help you out. Contact me Off Forum if you wish.
Given that RAIT are sponsoring the repaint and refurbishment of so many museum exhibits do you think they could spare a bit of sky and dark sea grey paint for the poor old Sea Fury, I never did like that metallic blue colour scheme, who ever painted like that in the first place ?
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Originally posted by SteveYoung
Sorry to get nit picky, but I only actually stated that she’s the last Mk1.In fact she’s not a C, she’s an F. It’s only a small point, but one I find very important, in that she’s the sole surviving example of the RAF’s first true radar equipped night fighter, she has an actual and verifiable operational history, and as such is a very significant aircraft.
Please believe me Steve I also want what is best for the Beaufighter in question, by your own admission it is an important airframe. Thus it should be looked after and presented to the public in the safest and most appropriate way.
I do not wish to get into the “fly or not to fly” argument, I would love to hear a Beaufighter, let alone see one fly. But I feel the most important thing is that it remains on British soil, and the best hope of that is the project being acquired by a major UK museum. Assuming the RAFM does not want it, after all they already have one, and did they not sell X7688 in the first place? Then surely the IWM is the next logical choice.
If I have something to sell I go talk to the most likely buyer first.
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