More than possible! Actually it’s what should of been done in the first place rather then update the SHAR FRS1.
It might be a relatively cheap option but the UK defence budget is in a state of collapse.
Beedalls website has been updated but I suggest if you want to have a happy Christmas don’t read it until the new year.
I read it already, not encouraging! It has to be balanced asainst the fact that the UK spends more on defence that all but three other countries. Having said that the RN seem to be getting the worst end of the deal. This months Warships International Fleet Revies reports a decision on CVF being postponed until 2007.
I stillcan’t see the RN not getting CVF even if it means buying less JSF than planned to make up the cost difference. Hopefully not just wishful thinking.
Fact is that the Falklands are a useless piece of dirt on the open sea. They earn money with sheep farming, fishing and tourism. Scratch the last from the list after it belongs to Argentinia and the cost over use becomes not very favorable. Only if oil is located around the Falklands the issue might change.
See for more details:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Falkland_Islands
You may think it is a useless piece of dirt but it is inhabited by British citizens!
The islands are also almost certainly in the middle of one of the biggest oil foelds in the world. It’s only the depth of the sea that makes extraction of any oil uneconomic at present. As oil becomes more scarce the time will come when it becomes not nly econimic but very profitable to extract that oil.
Then the max is :
9×2=18 the RN
9×2=18 the RAF36 Harries GR7 is the max number of aircraft that could be deploied on the 2 Invincible class?
Is it correct?
A recent article I saw gave the numbers of Harriers at between 60 and 70 (can’t remember the exact number.)
Why do u say scottish are problems???:confused:
They are english as people of London.
What’s the problem?
They have different elections?:confused:
Hi, you could say that the Scottish are as British as the people of London but not as English as those of London. If you called most Scots English they would set you straight very quickly! Great Britain is made up of three countries; Scotland, Wales and England. The official title of our country is the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland, the UK is a union of four countries, those already mentioned plus Northern Ireland.
Scotland has it’s own parliment called the Scottish Assembly the members of which get to have a vote there and in the Houses of Parliment in London. This in effect means that Scotland gets to set some of it’s own laws. The current political issue is that a large part of the Scottish population want to break the union with the UK and form a seperate country, by placing large government contracts with Scottish industry the UK government is saying “look what the union does for you, break the union and these contracts go to English ship yards”.
This months AFM contains an article on page 7 that indicates CVF has already been past the IAB. Can anyone shed some light on that?
Actually they were bought up by Hornby.
I know, that just means that they will have to be delivered by train! :p
Don’t worry, Gordon Brown’s bought a squardon of giant airfix kits with some loose change he found down the back of the sofa. Unfortunately he’s such a cheapskate they’re being sent surface mail so they won’t get there for several weeks.
The bad news is that John Prescott is going to assemble them….
😀 😎 😉
Didn’t you hear? Airfix went bust so they will take even longer to get there!
This may be cynical but could this have anything to do with CVF? The last news we heard was that the MoD and BAE were still c. £200M apart on the build cost. Who wants to bet that that problem has now gone away in the light of the government ensuring that the Saudi Arabia deal goes ahead?
Fighter aircraft fraud probe ends
The Serious Fraud Office has ended its corruption inquiry into a £6bn fighter planes deal with Saudi Arabia.
Attorney General Lord Goldsmith said the SFO was “discontinuing” its investigation into Britain’s biggest defence company, BAE Systems.
The probe had related to the Al Yamamah arms deal with Saudi Arabia. BAE has denied any wrongdoing.
Lord Goldsmith told the Lords he thought that a prosecution “could not be brought”.
He said the decision had been made in the wider public interest, which had to be balanced against the rule of law.
No one is going to win any Saudi business until this SFO investigation ends
Senior defence executive
Defence firms fear Saudi fall-out
Lord Goldsmith also told peers that Prime Minister Tony Blair had agreed that the continuation of the investigation would cause “serious damage” to relations between the UK and Saudi Arabia.
It emerged earlier this month that French and Saudi officials were in talks over a possible alternative deal, which could scupper the BAE sale.
Lord Goldsmith said that both Mr Blair and Defence Secretary Des Browne had argued that carrying on the investigation would harm intelligence and diplomatic co-operation with Saudi Arabia, in turn damaging the UK’s national security.
BBC business editor Robert Peston says that major UK companies – both arms firms and other manufacturers – have voiced fears that they stood to lose other lucrative deals should the probe have continued.
The SFO said in a statement, however: “No weight has been given to commercial interests or to the national economic interest.”
I thought people would be interested in this. :confused:
Rob, yes very interested. Hopefully we are seeing the replacement of the FAOS and there is a chance it will be an all UK system. A contact of mine mentioned that RR have already developed a thrust vectoring system for a UK UCAV (take that for what it’s worth).
The USAF didn’t want it. It was forced on them because the UK wouldn’t stop whining.
Hmm the Brits pushed for something they wanted from the yanks and got it. Makes a nice change for the boot to be on the other foot! If you call that whining then I say whine on!
Remember that the US asked for other nations to join it in developing the JSF. Why? For no other reason than to reduce the R&D cost to the US. You didn’t have to ask but did because you wanted it.
I’m glad to see the UK screwing the US for all it can get. In case you hadn’t noticed the rest of the world is tired of being screwed by uncle sam.
Just politics……………..leaving would end the CVF Carriers and would cripple the UK Defense Industry! Further, such a great loss could negate the United Kingdom to a small player in world affairs…………..:(
Err don’t think so. The UK not ordering JSF would not end the CVF. Add cats, buy Rafs, navalise Typhoon, navalise Gripen buy F18 or buy Russian. That’s at least fiveoptions.
Also this would not mean leaving the JSF programme. The UK workshare does not depend on UK orders but on UK contribution to the R&D. So by the UK not buying JSF UK industry could actually benifit, it would still get the same workshare of JSF builds and could get to build all of the JSF replacement.
Personally I hope the UK JSF does go ahead but only if we get what we want which I predict we will. Why should the UK buy something from the US when what the US is offering is not what the UK wants?
I get fed up by the arguments made by the CND. What do they suggest we do to rogue states if we give up our nukes? Ask them nicely not to develop their own weapons?
That’s exactly what someone said on the news today “just communicate with them.”
I met a deck officer in the RN who said the Phalanx systems that they have are “always breaking down” but that Goalkeeper hardly ever had such problems.
Well, the US would be happy to build the CVF’s or any Carrier in the US for UK. Yet, I don’t see any practical reason for such a move? Further, look at the thousands of jobs that would be lost!
Scooter, the Liberal Democrats are the 3rd party in the UK and seem to like saying anything that may be contraversial. Don’t take what their spoksman said in any way seriously.
The UK government are working to a master plan (of which CVF is part) to maintain major shipbuilding skills in the UK. I understand that this is both for industrial and defence reasons.