That’s not necessarily true, they did complete an airframe that was on the production line at Kazan, and there are still two more to be finished. Technically, since they were never completed, they are in fact new build jets.

Also, the Russian Knights only got six of the Su-27M/Su-35s, not twelve. Apparently the idea was to use them because they had IFR capability and could move about the globe easier. In the end, the last I heard was that they were being cannibalized for spares to some degree and are basically now unflyable.

Regarding the Su-35s, there were 15 jets. Three “pre-production” jets that were at Akhtubinsk/Lipetsk and the 12 jet test fleet. Out of those twelve, one crashed (711), at least one is actively used as a testbed (710), and one was sent to Monino (701). The Russian Knights got two of the test jets and the three “pre-production” birds.

The one that crashed was a Su-37 “Terminator” 711 not Su-35

There is nothing like the Sunni people. Just a number of tribes, who do share the same direction of Islam. Every leader is committed to his tribe only. Something the AQ did use, when finding support. The USA is countering that now with a lot of money and promise participation in the government. Democratic rules and law aside. Maybe the USA has learned something the hard way, but that has nothing to do with the aims related to the Iraq.

I suggest you look at this trailer and then the whole movie, before “believing” A.Q. exists.: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7_E4N5YIycI&feature=related

Russia are trying there best to match Amercian technology every day – i guess they must be afflicted with “cultural schizophrenia” too eh.lol,but you must be a bit blind if you think Russia dosn’t care and isn’t interested in others seeing her as very important, as its a fact Russia trys its utmost to get back into the world ‘arena’ , from the attempted shows of military might around the world and the intimidation of other countries right down to to the silencing of critics with polonium there trying desperatly to show there back. Only someone completely biased would try to claim otherwise. Edit: do you actually know what schizophrenia is? i do wonder…

Then you should attempt to explain why it still fields a monster field army with twenty thousand tanks and as many self propelled and towed artillery pieces. They simple do not require a massive air force anymore as NATO will not be able to interdict their ground movements ( in a conventional war) in any meaningful way considering the vast amount of highly mobile surface to air weapons. That being said they still have a larger front line force than anyone their likely to come up against.

Well let’s look at it case by case. GBI (NMD) is an ICBM-sized and priced (probably more) missile that would only fit on battleship-sized ships nor would it be cost effective against short/medium range ballistics missiles. For the same reason it wouldn’t work for the Army.

Airborne Laser is designed for boost phase intercept and has to operate out of an airbase (and there will only be seven of them tops).

THAAD is designed for both high endoatmospheric and exoatmospheric however it’s capability is far less than SM-3 in the exoatmospheric role. And SM-3 is both more $$$$ and isn’t designed to be road mobile.

PAC-3 is very short ranged (less than ESSM) so it’s not going to be able to handle things by itself no matter where it is.

I think the thing to keep in mind with some of these though is that they are derivatives of existing systems. SM-3 and SM-2 Block IVA) were suppose to cover tha gamut of ballistic missile targets by simply developing LEAP (the KKV), a booster, and a 3rd stage for the SM-3. No new launch systems, commonality of airframes and motors etc. PAC-3 is a developement of ERINT/FLAGE/SHRIT going back to the 80s. so in a sense it was “off the shelf”.

KEI is new and is suppose to be land and sea capable (and I’ve even seen a graphic with a B-52 packing them on the wing pylons) but what ship is going to be able to launch a 40 foot missile? And do we stop developing KEI until/unless we find out that ABL isn’t viable? Do we scrap the SM-3 line so we can use the inferior THAAD? Do we scrap THAAD so we can use a more expensive SM-3/SM-2 Block IV combination that isn’t road mobile and would require new launch vehicles?

KEI and ABL will probably be fighting each other for funds but then they each have their strengths and weaknesses. Also there is talk of replacing the GBI interceptors with KEI interceptors in the midcourse role but then you lose a lot of range.

And you think all that’s bad times it by two or so and you have what Russia is trying to field S-300PMU2s, S-400s, S-300Vs, and all their sub-flavors, S-500, S-400 “big missile”, Gazelle ABM, new VLS version of the SA-N-7. . . Hell, if they do what they’ve been claiming with the S-400 you’ll have PAC-3, THAAD, and SM-3 analogs in that system ALONE.

1 There’s between 6400 and 8500 S-300V/PMU-2, and 1 Battery (32 missiles) of the S-300PMU-3 AKA (S-400) Who many missiles does Ageis/Thaad/Pac-3 have deployed, are they spred out across U.S.A protecting the homeland against incoming ICBM’s?:confused:

2. They can hit targets in space to man: http://www.missilethreat.com/missiledefensesystems/id.51/system_detail.asp
also go to the search bar on the side and punch in S-300PMU-2/400 to see those SAMS ARE everything and More that THAAD/PAC would be, I’ll have to o more research on SM-3 before saying if the S-300 are better or worse than that.

Garry

Which was quite my point. Western Europe at least would be little bothered by the Russians abrogating INF. The Russians can point whatever warheads they like at us I’d doubt anyone here really cares anymore. The fact is that the Red Army is not going to get anywhere close to the Fulda Gap anymore so, militarily, Russia is, over here, viewed as a paper tiger. Russia’s only ‘power’ now comes from her energy exports not her military. Thats why I said – let them abrogate whatever they want, by using such obvious nonsense as the US NMD system to abrogate INF though they really would show themselves up as being shameless opportunists and liars!.

I suggest you look at GlobalSecurity, Fas.org, MissileThreat, and other sites using “Google” if you REALY think Russia is a “paper tiger” Russia is FFFAAAR froma paper tiger, Iraq, Iran can be clasified as such if you’d like, but not Russia, if you had botherd to do your research before posting this unfound statment.:rolleyes:

no one said it was lying just that it is wrong. Multiple posters have told you why you are wrong and you are wrong, there is not a single shred of evidence to support your lunatic assertion.

In Reality “not a single shred of evidence to support ya’lls lunatic assertion that Global Security is wrong” there isn’t 100 photos of the 100 different F-22
but we know there is 100 F-22 built.:p

Provide some evidence.

Already have you just “diliberatly” force yourself NOT to believe it”
Theres no reason to believe GlobalSec is lying.