At the risk of thread drift here in that it might be more appropriate for ‘Modern Military’, I was told by a reliable source some 10 years ago that the US might be interested in purchasing up to 320 Nimrods as an Orion replacement. This was conditional on BAE Systems reopening the production line to build new aircraft.
A bozo accountant in Whitehall, who no doubt has a gong by now, decided it would be more cost effective to mate a 1960’s fuselage with ‘state of the art’ noughties wings without thinking of the export potential of new build!!
My concern – and this is current – is that we will loose top cover for all those at sea – fishermen, SAR etc.
Sadly all Haddon-Cave has given us is a museum piece if there are any takers.
If the powers that be have any respect for the UK’s aviation heritage, then to keep one of these beauties airworthy as part of the preservation movement must be a worthwhile consideration. In my view, the best looking jet airliner ever built – anywhere! With the demise of Concorde – is this once again the fastest jet airliner in the world?
I have no particular preference on livery or indeed sponsorship logos – all I know is that for generations to this day, the VC10 has provided a ‘lifeline’ to home for those of us who have worked overseas – often in hostile and unfriendly environments.
Maybe – with a bit of foresight – ie before all the jigs, tools and spares are broken up – this will be one aircraft that will not be allowed to just wither and die on the vine. Yes I know it would be costly to keep one flying and in the current climate that might be a tall order. I guess my point is that even if its too costly now – lets not pull the rug from under us but keep an airframe, spares etc in the hope that one day – after its OSD – somebody might come along with funding to get one back in the air. Q the accountants – concerned about storage charges and return on capital employed!!!
Slightly off topic – but still in your ‘neck of the woods’ for us down south – are stories of many surplus US WW2 aircraft ending up buried at Warton – on the Wirral side I understand.
Can anyone substantiate these rumours? My scrapyard sorties were confined to Lasham in the early 70’s climbing over all manner of old aircraft but without a camera I’m afraid..
I agree with the link to the Valiant.
I’ve often thought that HPs product range was a bit odd – Hastings – Herald – Victor – Jetstream. In todays parlance – not sure which part of the market they were targetting with no clear strategic plan?? Perhaps they spread themselves too thinly?? Anyhow it was an awesome sight to see all those Victors lined up at Radlett in the late 60’s!
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Thanks chaps
Are there any more films from the 50’s & 60’s that show our aviation heritage in passing? – ie almost incidental??
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All good stuff except . . . I understand the Americans will not let mass public cars onto the base for security reasons.
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I seem to recall entering Fairford at the western end on several occasions in the past – I was directed to park on concreat. I’m sure parking was the only reason for cancelling this years airshow. That concreat – I’m convinced – was within the US ‘secure perimeter’. Maybe things have changed – if this is the case then any hope of another Mildenhall????
Given that the Reds will be at the end of the 100 aircraft flypast for QE2 at Fairford next Friday – it would be great if the Vulcan could slot in just behind a V formation – it’s the 90th after all. Just wondering if the RAF have requested this as a final add on??
What a good question.
If the financial pundits on radio and TV are anything to go by – and I suspect they are probably right – most of us will suffer in one way or another and we might have to get used to the world – and our lifestyle – never being the same again.
I, for one, now think twice about making a journey in my car. Is it essential? – in many cases no and as much as I would like to travel from Wiltshire to the likes of Waddington or Duxford, I’m now prepared to settle for local airfields like Kemble , Yeovilton and Fairford. I suspect day trippers to the likes of Dawlish and other seaside airshows might think twice too. I’ve no doubt Bournemouth will be a success but I bet they feel the impact next year.
As for aircraft operators, I think we should make the most of this year – the 90th of the RAF at Fairford on the Friday probably being a highlight for some time to come. Warbird owners will doubtless have their own views but I suspect some might suffer.
Maybe more appropriate for the commercial section of Key, but the global economy will also impact low cost no frills airlines and I already detect a price creep upwards. Sorry to be all doom and gloom but I fear all aspects of aviation will be hit very badly.
Fuel prices push up the cost of airshow participation – not just aircraft but the price of those hideous burgers and a pint. Add to this the cost of airshow and family insurance, utilities, mortgages etc………………………………sorry I’d love to be more positive but just being pragmatic!
Oh for the good old days of diamond nine Lightnings when fuel was 20p a litre!
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I remember visiting Southend on several occasions in the late 60s early 70s when the Lincoln and a few other aspiring Museum inmates were parked over by the railway line. Also remember being there for the opening of the superb museum in 72. I seem to recall having a good view, from the new Museum, of BAF Carvairs landing – from a distance and head on – they looked very similar to what I remember Pan Am 747’s looked like landing at LHR.
Some years ago, ex AWE boffins related the story of a significant number of new build Spitfires, that were surplus to requirements, being bulldozed into a large hole in the ground at the end of one of the runways at the then RAF Aldermaston at the end of WW2. Not sure if they were burnt first. I understand Aldermaston did indeed produce Spitfires during WW2 but stand to be corrected?
I gather AWE are quite meticulous with scientific sampling of the ground on their patch for obvious reasons. Evidently this indicated that something might well be down there but, again, I doubt of we’ll ever know for sure – again for obvious reasons.
PS: I understand Eaglescliffe ‘processed’ a huge number of ex Luftwaffe aircraft at the end of WW2.
A nice aspiration – unlikely but not totally impossible – would be to see a Typhoon burning up the runway at Fairford and going ballistic closely followed by a Lightning from Thunder City doing the same!!
At least until some 5 years ago, there was what looked to be a medium sized miltary aviation museum on the northern outskirts of the military airfield in downtown Riyadh – clearly visible from the motorway that ran past it. This airfield should not be confused with the international airport which is some distance out of town. I seem to recall there being at least a dozen or so aircraft parked outside including a couple of Lightnings, a Hunter and possibly a Vampire/Venom type – not easy to concentrate on the scenery when driving on Saudi motorways!!
The aircraft outside surrounded a medium sized hall that I guess probably contained more aircraft. I have no idea as to the status of the museum or whether it was indeed open to the public. My guess would be that westerners might need to get some form of approval to visit in advance from the relevant Saudi authorities. You might find it worthwhile contacting the Saudi Embassy in London for more information.
I went on goggle earth recently and although the military airfield is clearly visible – I could not locate any preserved aircraft in the area where I thought the museum to be located. Hope this helps.
Totally agree with the comment made by TwinOtter. With regard to Phillips post and the seemingly official line about wrecks and survivors, I suspect this relates to everything above ground. I have seen photos of some 10-12 complete Swifts being bulldozed into a large hole in the ground – probably for good reason – location not known but somewhere in Australia.
Ah would that be the Richard Montgomery? Seem to recall reading that if it ever went up, it might cause a tidal wave that would shoot straight up the Thames and flood a fair bit of central London. Best left untouched I gather as the munitions are less volatile undisturbed
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