RE: Charter Airlines
As a result of the British Airtours 737-200 which caught fire on the runway at Manchester, a recommendation was made for a legal minimum seat pitch of 32 inches on all commercial flights (primarily, so as to make it easier to evacuate the aircraft).
It was rejected by the airlines.
The issue is similar to the one which predominates consumer preferences these days. People prefer something to be cheap. Unfortunately, YOU GET WHAT YOU PAY FOR.
Increasing seat pitch from 30 to 32 inches would incrase the price by more than 10%; more likely 25% to 30%.
RE: Mobile Phones
Of course. I would never advocate doing anything which the airline said was dangerous.
I was just trying to find out why the airlines did not want to implement the technology which would solve the problem.
RE: Mobile Phones
Yes, I accept that cell phones play havoc. I usually leave mine on top of the TV and the speakers go funny about 5 seconds before the phone rings.
But I am 99% sure the technology exists to get round this.
I suspect the reason is that airlines would prefer passengers to use “air phones” at £ 1000000000000000 a second as opposed to their regular cell phones. Annoyingly though, the bloody things never work!!!! Anyone who travel with Virgin Atlantic will know what I mean.
In order to preach consistency, they would need to enforce the “turn it off” mantra on all flights, short and long.
RE: Charter Airlines
[updated:LAST EDITED ON 03-06-02 AT 11:17 PM (GMT)]The more up-market tour operators actually use scheduled carriers – eg. Hayes & Jarvis.
It’s a question I often ask myself though. Usually, after 10 hours travelling toilet class in a 747, I try to figure out the economics involved.
Consider:
Configuration 1 is 30 rows at 10 abreast. This means 300 seats. At a notional £100 a seat, this gives revenue of £30,000.
Configuration 2 is 25 rows at 8 abreast. This means 200 seats. To achieve the same revenue as configuration 1, average price would need to be raised to £150.
Config 2. gives each passenger approx. 9% extra legroom and a little less extra elbow room. They pay 50% extra ticket price for this.
So the first point is that it is uneconomic to pay a “small premium” for a little extra comfort. The second point is that even a “nice” improvement costs each passenger an extra 50%. Of course, there are now less seats. This means that airline revenues are now more sensitive to load factors than they used to be. To counterract this effect, the 50% rise might need to be increased a little.
On the other side of the coin however, I am really disappointed in BA. I am travelling LHR-MEL in a few weeks. I paid GBP 750 for an economy ticket. I tried to get in “World Traveller Plus”, but the cost was nearly GBP 4,000. This is a rise of 433%!!!
Also, it would be marginally cheaper to fly full business class on Air France, KLM or Lufthansa than to fork out for BA.
My conclusion: Airlines are scared that they will loose premium customers if they make an “improved economy” too affordable. True, perhaps. But you will also gain passengers from other airlines in my opinion.
Sorry – I know that I failed to consider the charter airline issue here!
RE: Mobile Phones
Hang on a second.
How was such a diagnosis made??
Also – something which really annoys me. The airlines/plane makers really should get their act together. Surely it is because aircraft use very antiquated technology that this whole problem arises?
RE: ONEWORLD (PLAYING FAIR??)
Is it actually Iberia?
I am surprised that a foreign airline is allowed to operate in the US. Maybe it is a franchise carrier – like Comair/BA in South Africa.
RE: Log-in names
Mongu is a small town in North Western Zambia.
I saw my first Leopard kill (it was eating a kudu in a tree, I was attracted to it by the sniffing nose and whining of a hyena) there.
I also remember it was a pig of a place to get to. There were 2 flight a week to Lusaka, using either Cessna Centurions or Piper Aztecs.
RE: Any other wrong “fact” Geforce?
I tend to think that the reason for the large USSR losses in WW2 was a combination of scorched earth policies and, mainly, the numerous and muderous purges of their officer and ritual execution of soldiers.
No doubts they did however fight with vigour and were instrumental in the end.
RE: Did Bush upset anyone else?
Hey, I hold my hand up chaps. The reason I didn’t reference my post was because I couldn’t recall the details.
But this was a reasonably big news story for about 2 or 3 days but it petered out quite quickly.
There was a debate on British TV about it (10 minutes on Newsnight I think). There were some good contributors – Nicholas Soames (former UK Defence Minister) was one of them, and I believe he actually used the word “atrocity”.
But in any case – the CIA is hardly whiter-than-white, is it? I don’t find it difficult to believe they could do something like this.
RE: Alitalia
Well, I only flew with them once. It wasn’t a bad flight, but it scared me a little, which is why I have probably subconciously avoided them since.
It was in the 80’s and we had just left Rome airport in an A300 to Heathrow. The airport bomb exploded in the same deprture lounge we had been in, about 40 minutes after we departed. The really scary bit was that we were delayed for ages, but suddenly the delay was reduced. When I heard the news back in the UK, my face went white!
RE: Work Experience with British Midland
A long time ago…
I spent 2 weeks work experience at BAE Systems at their Brough factory. The work involved fairly safe things, like stamping out the metal plates which carry the a/c serial number. I did get to spend some time in the air intakes and in the cockpit though, which was neat.
At the end, the company took us up for half an hour in their corporate Jetstream 31.
A very nice company for the most part, but some of the workers were union fanatics and made very unreasonable demands…it seemed to be a running sore point.
RE: Did Bush upset anyone else?
Well, to stray a little off point…
There was a reference to the CIA chap at the fort revolt being rescued by the Marines. Is this the same fort revolt where the US committed an absolute atrocity?
You remember – release the prisoners, return their weapons and then mow them all down for trying to “escape”? And then praise the “patriotism” of the perpetrators…
And the US wonders why half of the world hates them!
RE: France
Might be a good time to place a bet on the Frogs…
I’ve got an 11/2 stake on them to go all the way – maybe they will be fired up after their embarassment and will go for the jugular.
RE: Airliner crash
China Airlines had appointed Lufthansa to consult on safety issues, focussing on maintainance I believe.
This leads me to think the aircraft would have been in reasonably good condition.
RE: Bush in Europe —
The South Park movie was a killer.
The sketch where Janet Reno orders masked gunmen to storm a house to “rescue” a kid and they end up over-reacting and killing everyone – hilarious!