DMEHi Tony,
ATPL (H) is Air Transport Pilot Licence – Helecopter.
Once you have finsihed your PPL you will have about 45-60 hours depending on how often you fly, from there you will have to accumulate 150 hours before you can start your commercial rating.
You can build upto the 150 hour mark in various ways, i.e. night rating which takes 5 hours, IMC which takes 15 hours. The IMC is similar to an Instrument Rating, it allows you to fly through and above cloud, but it’s not as intense and also not a requirement.
If you only want to fly commercially then you would start looking at studying for you CPL exams, this should take about 9 months and ideally you should sit the exam by the time you have around 200 hours.
If you want to fly for an airline then you would substitute the CPL with the ATPL exam, which takes about 15 months study.
Regardless, you will start your CPL at around 150 hrs. The CPL flying takes 25 hours, which leaves another 25 before the CAA will issue the licence, so you would start your Multi Engine Instrument rating which takes 50 hours.
All in all you will have 225 hours, a frozen ATPL which includes and CPL / MEIR and a Night Rating along with a Class 1 Medical and then you can look for a job. If you want to instruct only you just sit the CPL/IR and then sit an Instructors rating which costs about £6500.
So in short;
PPL 45 hours
Hour building to 150 can include Night Rating 5 hrs
IMC 15 hrs
Total 65 hours
General flying upto 150 hrs and study for exams
CPL flying training at 150 hrs takes you to 175 hrs
MEIR training at 175 hrs takes you to 225 hrs CPL issued as long as exams are sat.
P.S. The frozen part of the ATPL is taken off after you have 1500hrs including 500hrs Mulit Crew Time.
There is more indepth parts but bascially that’s it.
DME
DMESome years ago now but I flew in a 146 at about 5000′ from EDI to GLA. I thought it strange that they gave us the ditching drill until I saw all the lakes (and golf courses!) on the route. Spectacular ride!
mmitch.
Excellent, they gave you a ditching drill – hahaha I flew it once on a Jetstream 41 and the flight took 20 mins, so I guess we would have not have got over 8 – 10k? maybe even only 6k
I’ll have to find out for sure? It’s bugging me :confused:
DME
DMESome years ago now but I flew in a 146 at about 5000′ from EDI to GLA. I thought it strange that they gave us the ditching drill until I saw all the lakes (and golf courses!) on the route. Spectacular ride!
mmitch.
Excellent, they gave you a ditching drill – hahaha I flew it once on a Jetstream 41 and the flight took 20 mins, so I guess we would have not have got over 8 – 10k? maybe even only 6k
I’ll have to find out for sure? It’s bugging me :confused:
DME
DMEI’ve flown in the 737-200, 300, 400 and 700. Pity I’ll never get the chance to fly the 100 series.
Great little plane.
Are there any 100’s still flying commercially?
DME
DMEI’ve flown in the 737-200, 300, 400 and 700. Pity I’ll never get the chance to fly the 100 series.
Great little plane.
Are there any 100’s still flying commercially?
DME
DMESteve,
I don’t think I’ll have any problems getting airside access, it’s not as if it was a conviction that could affect security. However I’m worried about the airline side as I’m sure they will ask for an indepth account but I can’t see what’s included in this, I can only get the basic account. I don’t have any ‘bad’ convictions and it’s been 5 years since the DD, it may not even show on the basic but show on the indepth – hence the airline knowing. Lets hope they have faith, there must be pilots who have been convicted of DD.
I don’t want to spend £40k and then have Mr Airline turn me back saying ‘sorry son not this time’
DME
DMEDeano, how’d you swing that one then? Like you I have bags of equity in my house so financially it’s a go-er, but obviously I’m keen to look at ways of scagging extra funding elsewhere if possible. Aren’t we all!
I’m on 118 hrs TT, and currently umming and ahhing about the fATPL / CPL issue. Long term goal is to instruct, but in order to do that I need at least a CPL under current rules, but I’m currently undecided on whether to ‘limit’ myself to a CPL, or bite the bullet and do fATPL because of the potential extra opportunities that might bring.
Also, general question to you ATPL / CPL studes, what age brackets are you in? Am I too long in the tooth at 35? (This is likely to have a rather major influence on my decision!).
Oh, R, interesting to hear you’re going for your CPL too. Presumably you through your class 1 then?
Hi Steve,
I’m coming up for 24 on December 21st. I would say 35 is not too long in the tooth but it may hold back your salary i.e. if I get employed by 26 by the time i’m 35 I might me a captin 😮
One of the guys from my club was instructing and has now got a job flying, he is 31. A few of the controllers at my airport are studying for their ATPL and they are in their mid 30’s as well, so i’d say go for it!
I’m pulling out my hair at the moment, BALPA are saying you may not get a Security Pass for apron access if you have a criminal record (even minor). I have been convicted of DD and have also been admonised for assult. I don’t know if BALPA mean this will stop me getting an Airline job or only stop me getting airside access???
I have sent for a basic disclosure request to see what it holds on me, hopefully this would not stop me getting an airside pass and ultimately stop me getting a career. I hope the airlines would not consider me just because of it???
Any ideas
DME
DMEThat looks bad!
Any info on the crew?
DME
DMETwo old woman at the bus stop this morning were saying the bus driver should have them on for free as they are pensioners. This only happens after 9am, so they started moaning, oh it’s only five to nine, what a twisted man etc etc.
I wish they would just walk. The rule is 9am onwards, free travel, not five to nine.
They are the ones who say shop owners should be jailed for serving under 18’s alcohol. It’s break one rule for them and enforce others. Fools!
I also hate junkies who try and talk to you, they are junk and they don’t have to annoy me!
DME
DMEMartin
Good luck mate, Hope all goes well, dont forget my MSN etc if you need a chat etc, support goes a long way when doing the fATPL and it reciprocates
DME
Give me a shout when your going to start your ATPL study mate, could be about the same time as me, also if the timing is right I will be looking to go to Florida too to hr build, maybe we could jet over together etc, see how it goesDean
Dean,
Sounds good! I should be starting to study mid to late January.
Going over to Florida in pairs sounds a good idea, I imagine it would be boring flying for 50 hrs on your lonesome. I guess we might even learn more if I sit in a few of your flights and vice versa.
I’ll let you know when I start.
Cheers
John
DMEI finish module 1 back in May and I’m starting module 2 in January.
Martin,
Does the above mean you sat your exams for Module 1 in May and are sitting exams for Module 2 in January?
P.S. How many months study have you put in so far?
DME
DMEMartin,
Your on your way, excellent. Best of luck!
I’ll still be flying while I’m studying, if not for the enjoyment, i’ll do it to keep me sane.
What was the £30k for? Not just the ATPL ground work? I’d rather have more money and be called modular scum :p
How long have you left between ending Module one and starting Module two?
What’s your TT.
Cheers
DME
DMEWhat height are these things flying upto (not the airbus). Would they not pose a problem with the engines, especially on take off when they are running the engines close to full power.
How big are the Locusts?
DME
DMEWhat height are these things flying upto (not the airbus). Would they not pose a problem with the engines, especially on take off when they are running the engines close to full power.
How big are the Locusts?
DME
DMEHi DME
I have 90 odd hrs now, as Im starting the ATPL Im going to fly as little as possible to concentrate on the studying, this will also help when coming to do the CPL/IR too because I will have more hrs to do together as opposed to spaced out (currency etc)
Ive remortgaged my house to pay for my flying, Im looking from now to spend:-
ATPL – £2,300 (Paid for by PPRuNe hopefully)
Hr Building (inc. IMC & NR) £6000
CPL – £4,000
MER – £2,300
IR – £11,000Then I have to think about the MCC & JOT which will be approx £8,000 for the 2?
These prices are just my estimates, I guess you can add 15-20% on top for contingency etc etc
What do you think?
Dean
Yeah that sounds about right, seems to be close to my estimate.
I’m trying to study along the same lines as you. I have 75 hours just now and I’m going to slow down on the flying side of things, with the exception of getting my IMC and concentrate on studying.
Once I have the first set of exams by I’m going to start on the CPL – I/R, hopefully all should come together around the 240hr mark. Bmi baby are looking at taking on fATPL non rated pilots with 200hrs, there could be light at the end of the tunnel 🙂
What R Weaver is saying will probably help me. When I’ve finished the 1st set of exams I expect to have around 100 hrs TT, then I’ll take a hop over to Florida to bump up about 50rs or so which will lead me into the CPL-I/R.
Most people have advised me to steer clear of sitting my exams outside of the U.K.!
DME
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