yeah they could do that but it still remains that you don’t know yet how many F-35s will be built per year after Trump”s administration. If the budget is lower you might not be able to recapitalize the active duty force as you intended to do, so you can’t replace the F-15s.
yes but on another hand you don’t want to replace the F-15s too early if they’re still flyable for like 8 more years. The defense budget of the current administration may not be available in 5 years if Trump is not reelected. So how many planes you’ll be able to buy is pretty much a wild guess.
If you plan now on building those planes in the 2020’s you don’t know for sure if you’re gonna have the money then.
It’s hard to know in advance because that will depend on the defense budget at that time. Even if they take the decision to get F-35s it might not be affordable with a budget of another president.
I wonder if they could build a cheaper variant of the F-35 for the ADF role. Like reusing sniper pods or existing IRSTs on the centerline station instead of the EOTS and maybe other things.
Ok. But anyways there is no rush to replace the planes with potential F-15Es and whatnot.
They have to decide on whether to insert the broader structural and mission systems upgrade plan into their FY19-FY-23 proposal to make sure there are funds sitting around by the time a decision is made on keeping the F-15C through the 2030s and into the early 2040’s or not. Even if they do not decide to keep it for that long you’ll still have F-15 C’s in service till the 2030 timeframe but in smaller quantity that will be gradually phased out 8-10 years ahead of where they would in case the USAF funds structural upgrades.
The current media attention stems from the USAF’s planing leading up to its FY19 budget submission next year, which must include these decisions for the FYDP.
When would they start SLEPing the structures if they decide to do it?
That is waay ahead of things.
USAF has to decide now
The F-15C is good for another 13 years, what’s the rush?
I think if they were to buy new planes, they’d go with a relatively cheap plane for that niche role. Maybe Boeing could offer a gripen NG build under licence with american avionics. Plus maybe a naval variant to help fill the carrier decks at low cost. 300 of each or something.
Costs too much vs F-35s. The F-35 is likely to get a 30% range boost thanks to a next gen engine.
Maybe those F-15Cs could be recycled as loyal wingmen. They’re not FBW so it might be harder than on the F-16, but they have the big AESA and 8 missiles. The F-35 would have to be able to control the F-15’s radar.
They wouldn’t be used for air policing though.
The objective is to enable a wide set of assets to be interoperable like this and that is what some of these initiatives are tackling. It doesn’t matter if your cues come from an F-35, Predator, future fighter, unmanned aircraft, JTAC etc but that your offensive and defensive fires are closely integrated and can seamlessly upload and offload targeting quality data whether that is to an AEGIS battle management system to guide an SM6 or a future active SM2, or to the Army system to cue up a Patriot interceptor on on the offensive side as these processes and technologies advance to cover long range fires in the form of naval guns/EMRG and the Army’s LRPF. F-35 will be available with the Navy, Air Force and the Marines and will be there in quantity so it is a very good place to start (as the Navy and Marines have already done).
It is a significant argument in favor of the F-35. The F-35 can be used as a mini stealthy AWACS and JSTARS that can repel mass surface and air attacks with SAMs and SSMs. That would deny the enemy surface forces the ability to maneuver and attack.
Aint that a job for UAV´s?
Stealthy UAV then, otherwise it would be immediately shot down. Not many AFs have stealthy UAVs but many will have F-35s. I see no reason why you would limit the F-35 to the ability to destroy 8 targets per sortie if it can kill more. The Marines have already used an F-35 to find a target and send the GPS coordinates to a HIMARS for a GMLRS launch.
I’d rather use the F-35 for that ( Killing many targets behind enemy lines with the help of the artillery) than doing pure CAS. It would be a much more efficient use of its capabilities.
The F-35 has the unique ability bring to bear high power sensors close to the targets so it could find targets for all sorts of artillery weapons. It could laser designate LG mortar rounds or LG excalibur. Or even they could make a LG TOW.
Or even they could make a submunition out of the SDB2, like by making a shorter version with smaller warhead and no tail kit. An LRPF could carry 3 or 4 of those.
That’s an amazing weapon.
Imagine if they made a surface launched weapon with a range of 150km like the ground launched SDB1, the F-35 could guide them and would have almost unlimited magazine capacity.. Jesus Christ!!
The radar isn’t magically going to transform the F-18 to an F-35. As I said the determinant here is likely to be the cost difference between the F-35 and F-18 and in the short term there is little Boeing can offer above and beyond what it has already tried (Advanced/International Hornet) before. The CNO’s words a few weeks ago captured it best when he said that there are things they can do to make the Super Hornet 4.5+ but there are obviously limits and they want a fifth generation in the mix as well. Boeing’s argument would probably be like…Baseline Super Hornet $77 Million, F-18X at $85 Million (their original Advanced Hornet pitch believe it or not was 10-15% over baseline Rhino – I was surprised when I heard their representative say that and had to clarify). Once the Advanced Hornet begins to approach the $100 million mark you are not going to convince the Navy to not pay the extra $10-15 Million and buy the F-35C. It would be an extremely stupid thing to do at that point (going for the $100 Million F-18).
Geez that’s a lot of money for a SH, too much. It would be nice to upgrade the older ones though with CFTs in particular.
Given that Raytheon is working on some very advanced high tech and high risk radar programs and given the high volume competitive programs ahead I doubt that it makes sense to pursue this on their own dime. I mean what’s the incentive? This is largely a cost argument and its not like Boeing will start competing Super Hornet radars or anything. AMDR-X and AN/MPQ-64 A4 are both some fairly large and competitive programs that Lockheed is very much interested in competing. Put the LTDAMS competitive award and there are some very large and lucrative radar programs that they’d be wise to invest internal R&D $$ on compared to this.
No it is not that easy. They would need to do a design analysis to see what the effects would be on the power, cooling and other important metrics. Even for radars designed around module swap like the AN/TPS-80 (where just the first 6 sets were to be GaAs) the DOTE wouldn’t let them do IOT&E with the GaAs and would force them to re-do the entire thing with the GaN version if they went ahead with it.
But Raytheon could continue to sell APG-79s if hundreds more SHs are built if a different mix of SHs/F-35s turned out to be preferred. Also hundreds of older radars could be upgraded.
If out of luck the SH managed to have a GaN radar with a moving antenna, it could guide missiles at long range from the side, which the F-35 cannot do ( its radar is looking forward and its EOTS has a shorter range ). Maybe that version of the radar wouldn’t add more than 2 million per plane or so. But anyways I know that’s wishfull thinking it will never happen.
The F-35C will very hard to beat in cost effectiveness with the economy of scale with the other variants. And they didn’t spend so much time and money to buy an old generation plane…