Cost is not going to be that much of a problem for Raytheon given its foundry and the volumes it is either producing or competing to produce. Each TPY-2 is 25,000+ T/R modules and that is what they are delivering this year. If the Saudi order on THAAD comes through they could look to double annual radar production. Even at one TPY-2 a month you are essentially looking at 20-22 airborne fighter radars worth of equivalent capacity at the moment. Add to that their A4 and AMDR competes and the potential to double TPY-2 and you can get a sense of where raytheon is heading in the X-band GaN component world. The problem is to get a new radar through the Navy acquisition system, get it tested, cleared by DOTE and then field it. Someone has to pay for that and it is not a sure thing so it is unlikely to be something the OSD considers. Regardless, keep piling cost on the $77 Million FY16 baseline.
Can they just swap the modules and that’s it?
I like it. The pods look stealthy, but what about the CFTs? Maybe the CFTs reduce the RCS because they hide the small dorsal spine. :confused:
Maybe the dual seater would be better to remote control the UCAVs.
Not yet but Raytheon has hinted that after the TPY-2 GaN upgrade they will focus on the AN/MPQ-64 A4 since they would want to be ahead of the US Army time-frame by a good 3-4 years given export prospects in Poland and the Middle East (hence we also see the AMRAAM-ER when they could have simply waited for ground launched ESSM Blk. II as they had earlier planned). TPY-2 GaN antenna is currently in production and FY17 radar deliveries will be GaN (and all that follow as well). Beyond this AMDR-X is a competitive program and probably one of the largest X-Band GaN programs. Between these efforts they are likely to create enough capacity to create an AN/APG-79 program but it will add to the cost of the aircraft and won’t provide anything in the short term. Decisions made by the OSD could affect the FY18 or 19 budget and adding cost is unlikely to get Boeing to be competitive to the F-35C since radar performance increase won’t reduce the Super Hornet’s Radar cross section or improve its passive targeting suite etc. The DOT&E won’t allow the hypothetical GaN radar to proceed without an OT&E (they are currently doing this to the AN/TPS-80 adding about 7 months to its IOT&E schedule) which would not be cheap or quick.
Do you think Raytheon could afford the upgrade on its own funding? The navy could be interested in upgading some of the older APG-79s.
Is there an upgrade path now for GaN modules on the APG-79? If not maybe Boeing could to try and convince Raytheon to invest its own money for the upgrade. If that APG-79 variant were to be used for jamming, would it be sufficient to be at parity in terms of first shot if the SH uses stealth pods that don’t increase its clean RCS?
A moving antenna with the ability to look ( and jam ) at 90+ degrees would also be nice, but I take it that would be too expensive to develop.
You know the answers to these very simple questions are available. You just need to do a simple bit of internet research to get the info…
Huh I didn’t ask any question, what are you talking about?
Just read that regarding the interior of the F-22 intakes.
A disadvantage of stealth planes I think is that as soon as they are even slightly damaged ( say hit by a gun round or by a missile that exploded far ), they are probably impossible to repair to fly more sorties relatively quickly, say within a few days or weeks, which could be possible otherwise with a non stealth plane.
I am not sure the Navy would bother with stealth pod. I think the centerline pod has to be unmounted to be loaded, they may not like that.
Other than that it’s the engineers’s job to try to find original cost effective ideas that would convince the Navy. I am not saying it’s easy.
Seems like something that will gobble up a significant amount of RDT&E funding (new pods, certification, new engine variant and the associated flight test and certification program). None of what you mention exists so it isn’t a fair competition particularly when the F-35 program is already funded to SDD completion.
Well Boeing has to fund some R&D if they want to convince the USN to buy a significant number of planes for a different mix. Maybe they should try harder with their stealth pods concepts. If they could get the plane to carry a lot of missiles while retaining the clean config RCS maybe that could be worth it. Even at that I think going with only F-35Cs ( when the problems have been ironed out ) is still the best.
Maybe the SH would be cost effective vs the F-35C if it carried a lot of missiles in stealth pods. 4 AMRAAMs in not enough. Try to fit 10 AMRAAMs in 2 wing stealth pods pods while keeing it capable of supersonic speed, like M1.2 with the EPE engines. The pylon that carries the pod has to be designed to be stealthy. 4 pods in subsonic a2g config. That would be the minimum otherwise the F-35 is a better investment.
It was all programmed! lol…
It would be too bad to waste those big AESA radars though ( APG-63v3 ).
I was thinking more of the rafale, since France has no stealth fighter in the pipeline. The USN has the F-35C, so no reason to buy the proposed ASH, or spend several billions in R&D for a stealthed up ASH. Dev money should go to the next gen indeed.
A T-X derivative is possibly an option, but that would require money and time to develop. Whether it makes sense depends how many planes they think they need, how long they have until the F-15s run out of lifespan, and exactly what capabilities they need.
It makes sense to take a look at their options.
Why not just reactivate old F-15s and F-16s that had been retired prematurely and swap the avionics?
Regarding the T-X, maybe they could capitalize on the EDE and EPE technology development and apply it to the F404 for the trainer and light fighter respectively. The fighter could have a fuel tank in the back seat. The T-50 and F/A-50 come to mind of course for the airframe.
Yeah for sure, but still, it makes no sense to buy F-16 when the F-35 will be available at not much more. If you want something really cheap for air policing, they can go with a T-X derivative with a small AESA. An F404 is well enough to push the plane at mach 1.5 with 4 missiles. If that’s the goal.
Ok. USAF is sinking in the absurd from decades already but this one will be the top.
Naturally not even a though into buying F-35 for this mission: the Mach 1,6+ interceptor is clearly too much, even for them.
Yeah it could have been an april’s fool joke.
Those F-15s will have to hold long enough to be replaced by F-35s or something of new generation. Even if they put flight restrictions on them on speed and Gs for the last years…