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  • in reply to: LRS-B #2232570
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    To bank on Advent being funded by future acts of Congress is probably not a risk a PM or proposal manager would take. But it could be a future upgrade funded in a production lot far after Milestone C is achieved.

    The problem is that 550 million is not much for an intercontinental bomber. Using an engine with a significantly lower SFC would enable to have a smaller airframe with less fuel, so a significantly cheaper plane.

    in reply to: LRS-B #2232584
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    Let’s compare two engines, one military and one commercial:

    * F-135 is 46 inches in diameter, produces 28K lbs dry thrust, likely weighs 3800 lbs without afterburner, and would have an installed SFC of about 1.0

    * PW6000 is 56 inches in diameter, produces 24K lbs dry thrust, weighs 5000 lbs, but the SFC is only 0.6.

    Because the specific fuel consumption of the commercial engine is only 0.6, it can provide a combat radius almost twice that of the military engine. Any Chief Engineer would make that tradeoff in a heartbeat.

    Or the LRS-B could be designed to be equipped with the next generation ADVENT engine, which is said to be able to give a 35% increase in subsonic range. The 2 will be in production roughly at the same time. The flight tests could be done with the F135.

    in reply to: Cutting the engine in flight #2232880
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    Well, a R-27T/TE has no guidance whatsoever if its not locked-on. SK manual says pilot can switch to a specific mode, and fire it blindly, but first he must align his aircraft towards the target (within a specific angle range, and with a specific angle away from sun, I dont remember exact quote). Missile will just fly straight and lock-on to the first target it sees in its search cone.

    A LOAL missile like AIM-9X has datalink, it can properly maneuver towards its target, plot an intercept course, change that course if needed, and lock-on the target pilot actually wants.

    In a practical example againist a target with reduced IR signature, a R-27T fired blindly may miss an F-22 if he could detect it and simply turn 50 degrees away from the missile and supercruises to the edge of the detection cone of the missile, its seeker may not pick it up. If launching aircraft has the means to track F-22, it can just turn his AIM-9X to proper direction via datalink. Speaking of F-22, such IR reduction is a huge advantage in this scenario compared to an F-15/16, as same maneuver would present their afterburners to R-27T; missile kinematics aside it would have made seekers job way easier.

    The 9X block 2 has the datalink, not the block 1. I don’t know whether the block 1 can be launched in LOAL mode without datalink like the ASRAAM.

    in reply to: Cutting the engine in flight #2232883
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    Well, first thing I would question is, does engine temperature affect frontal IR signature by the slightest? Technically IR waves travel in straight line, you have to be in LOS of nozzles to get any IR return from them.
    Cooled nozzles are something to reduce rear IR signature from distance, but I can’t explain why it should affect frontal IR signature, which would matter in a merge. IMHO at that point, wing size would matter more, (as it would generate more drag, and more drag = more wasted energy = more heat), with 3 times the wing area of F-16, I don’t believe F-22 could have less frontal IR output than F-16 at the merge. It could have less IR spikes due to supposedly better aerodynamics though.

    One may say cooled nozzles would matter during ACM, but if seeker has closed sufficently enough to detect heat from aerodynamic heating, how does it make any difference?

    I would have thought that the engine at mil thrust would still increase the temperature of the airframe, and the exhaust gases would also make it easier for a missile to lock on the plane.

    As for this instance between the F-16 and the F-22, I guess that the F-22 is to the side of the F-16, pointing directly at it – thanks to the thrust vectoring. In that configuration, the F-22 presents only its airframe from the front and not his exhaust to the F-16’s 9X, whereas his AIM-9M can see the entire structure of the F-16 from the side as well as its engine exhaust. And when the F-22 does its exit maneuver by turning away and engaging the afterburner, it is immediately locked on by the 9X.

    Maybe in that kind of configuration the F-16 would be better off turning off its afterburner.

    in reply to: Cutting the engine in flight #2233008
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    the faster a/c have better missile range as a result of higher initial speed,
    the more agile a/c with better acceleration reduces the effective range of opponents missile.

    effectively the better performer can stay outside effective range of the inferior performer,
    all the while having firing solution on the inferior performer

    Well, of course, but that’s mostly for BVR. The AIM-9X has a range of about 30km, I am talking about a case where it would be launched at like 3-5 km.

    And if the thrust is reduced at min, the plane would not suddenly stop, it would continue with its inertia (plus a bit of thrust).

    in reply to: why cannon on aircraft are so inaccurate ? #2233014
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    Is it really that bad if there is a spread of the bullets, it enables to hit in a certain volume or area without having to be extremely precise with the maneuvering.

    For instance for CAS you want to put like 50-100 rounds within a 20-30m diameter. If all the rounds ended in a 1m diameter, it would be very hard to align the plane properly, especially if the bad guys on the grounds are moving. For air to air, same thing, the enemy plane is moving, you want to hose a certain volume.

    in reply to: Cutting the engine in flight #2233017
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    Yes, but it is like all LO technology… an effort to reduce detectability, not to render them utterly undetectable. Certainly IR signature reduction efforts must make a difference given the apparent effort invested in them, but by the time you are talking about the merge you are simply way too close to expect to go undetected.

    This combined with the lethality of modern WVR weapons is one reason many believe WVR combat would be very nearly a coin toss between similarly competent pilots.

    Depends on the range. Say the plane puts its engine at min like 10-15km before the planes cross each other, he might get 5-10 seconds advantage on the enemy.

    I remember I once read an article about the JHMCS integration on the F-15 and it said that if the position of the target is known with the radar, it is displayed on the HMS. So the pilots knows where to look even before he can see the target visually and the missile is already pointing in that direction ( the missile being cued to the helmet ). In that case the pilot could reduce the thrust of his engine to min, and shoot. He would have a few seconds of advance on his opponent.

    In a real visual range, at really short range it wouldn’t work probably, but if you know from where the enemy is coming ( for instance with the DAS on the F-35 ), maybe it would work.

    Obviously if it is impossible to reduce the thrust to min in flight like Andraxxus explained before, the point is moot.

    in reply to: Cutting the engine in flight #2233026
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    only in cases where both a/c are equal performers,
    the higher performing a/c have better odds

    He who fly faster, turn harder, and accelerate faster, can launch a missile with decent enuff Pk,
    all the while he who fly slower, turn slower, and accelerate slower, never get decent enuff launch parameters

    In the case I am talking about the short range missile would have well enough range and initial boost to reach his target. The plane would just put his engine at min for like 10 seconds.

    in reply to: F-35 News, Multimedia & Discussion thread (2015) #2233037
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    I really don’t see what cause you have to doubt it.

    We know that the F-35 is in the midst of a major weapon integration effort and that the SDB-II was on the list of weapons to be integrated.

    Hapsalot,

    The article above was talking specifically about drops of GBU-39 SDBIs, not SDBIIs, SDBII is for block 4. So they have done pit test of the SDBII on July, 14. But they never issued a news about a pit test for the SDBI, AFAIK.

    I don’t know why they wouldn’t have released the video of the GBU-39 in flight drop, but anyways…

    in reply to: F-35 News, Multimedia & Discussion thread (2015) #2233063
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    Lol, I am surprised that they have not released the video, as they obviously have it. I would think anything that would prove that the tests are moving forward would be used to prop up the F-35.

    in reply to: Cutting the engine in flight #2233070
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    Well of course lol. They probably also have an effect against missiles seekers.

    in reply to: F-35 News, Multimedia & Discussion thread (2015) #2233072
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    The SDB-II completed initial fit/pit tests back in the summer:

    http://investor.raytheon.com/phoenix.zhtml?c=84193&p=irol-newsArticle&id=1946945

    At the pace things are now moving (compare to Typhoon) I don’t think we can expect a photo and press release for every new weapon that makes an incremental step towards integration.

    Ok, I am still not 100% convinced, but maybe they really dropped it after all.

    in reply to: Cutting the engine in flight #2233099
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    A merge by defition indicates aircraft are passing very close to each other. Like others stated, even an age old R-60M will have no problems locking on to target.

    In any cases, switching entire engine off in anywhere in midflight is very dangerous, let alone CAC. Turbine engines are not piston engines. They take several seconds, (or minutes if two engines are started by a single starter as in F-15) to spool up to its idle rpm. At higher/speed altitudes, there are several reasons engine may not even re-start at all.

    Also at higher speeds, FADEC willl not simply allow to reduce engine to less than full military thrust, due to risk of compressor stall. On non-FADEC aircraft, there are specific guidelines on flight manual about how not to use the throttle stick. This holds true for any aircraft I know of.

    Technically, switching-off AB and putting some great closure angle may have some uses for evading a IR missile fired LOAL (as in AIM-9X) or blindly (as in R-27TE) at long ranges, so aircraft will silently move away from the search cone of the IR seeker. However this is also problematic, as you need to know the missile fired first. I don’t think a MAWS will detect a R-27TE from 70 km away.

    In 99% of the real life circumstance, aircraft is expected either a) to maneuver hard and evade the missile or b) maneuver away and outrun the missile. Both requires pulling high Gs esspecially at airspeeds that correspond to high turn rates. This will deplate the energy of the aircraft very quickly. As only “energy” source of the aircraft is the engine, its logical to leave it in full AB. In some cases, airspeed would be too high, so for turning tight throttle is reduced, but even then, its more logical to pull a high yo-yo if circumstanecs allow it, and conserve as much energy as possible.

    You have probably heard about the article that came out a few years ago where an F-22 pilot said that he had to avoid putting the afterburner too fast against an F-16 or he would risk being locked by an AIM-9X. That’s what made me wonder about that. Also this story would suggest that it is possible to get relatively close, even in WVR, and not be detected even with an advanced IIR seeker.

    But from what you say reducing the thrust a lot – let alone cut the engine – wouldn’t be feasable, so I guess that settles the issue.

    in reply to: Cutting the engine in flight #2233101
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    See this video of AIM-9x testing, it includes the feed from the seeker where you can see how clearly it can distinguish the airframe of its target.

    Yes, but why are stealth aircraft equipped with low observable nozzles then? Lowering the exhaust temperature has to make a difference.

    in reply to: UCAV/UAV/UAS News and discussion 2015 #2233165
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    makes no difference, what is seen first of the E-2 is the emission, long, long before E-2 is seen,
    stealth means nothing if you have to emit.

    Well, that’s the question, can the EASA radar use LPI modes to detect targets at long range.

    The E-2 has a very large RCS, so probably it will be detected by any large surface active radar in LOS.

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