Find 10 people on forums and you will get 10 opinions as to what they “should have done”. Until you know the inner workings and the analysis they did you cannot pass credible judgement. As mentioned the munition programs were funded and even the A2A portfolio has seen a bump to both the AMRAAM and Aim-9X. As to how they prioritize the JSF FOD, that is something that is decided by the main operators i.e. folks that actually look at this from a position of experience and complete knowledge of the capability as well as the threat picture. What may look like an absurd list of priorities to you or me, may be completely logical if looked at through their prism with the data and information available to them.
Ask 10 pilots if they like the idea of losing some stealth and you’ll get only one answer…
Again originally the external rail launchers were supposed to be used when bombs were onboard.
The AIM-120D is a WVR missile. Your referring to the lack of a IIR missile. The USAF operational philosophy considers the AMRAAM to be the weapon of choice even as close as 3 miles away. There would be very few scenarios where it would be advantageous to replace Aim-120’s with Aim-9x for the F-35’s mission set.
Very few scenarios, mmh yeah probably, but still it would be better if the F-35 had something to shoot at very short range. That’s why I say that it would be good if it had just 1 9X, the rest being AMRAAMs. And 2 external 9Xs instead of just one increase the RCS too much for not much more. The F-35 has to remain as stealthy as possible.
Maybe just one small pylon with one missile on the first wing pylon would not have created to much assymetry. If it’s impossible, maybe make a stealthy facetted pylon+rail combo for the centerline station with just one missile. I don’t know but try to keep the RCS as low as possible with just one missile.
PS: the 120D won’t be available before several years.
The JSF program does not fund the development of weapons. That should be common knowledge. The Aim-9X block III would have been a Navy program but they chopped it off. The new efforts spoken about by the ACC boss appear to be a USAF initiative and if that is the case it will be a faster program because unlike the USN the USAF will have a very large 5th generation fleet in the early to mid 2020s. The USN has no incentive to push through F-35 weapons before mid to late 2020s given their delivery schedule and force structure. The USAF does.
As with most cases, the FOD program will prioritize budget, risk, and capability across all mission areas. What may be high priority to you, may not to the services that supply counter air or multi-role capability to the COCOMs.
Lol! That’s why initially there was a project to make an extendable arm launcher to launch the AIM-9X from the internal bay.. Using external payloads on a stealth aircraft is half retarded. The only case were the external 9Xs would be useful is when the aircraft carries external bombs.
And of course the USAF and USN field what they can afford, which in the last years have been far from what they really wanted. The fact that the NGM has been delayed and the 9X block III has been cancelled are good examples of that.
The USAF was supposed to have a much larger fleet of F-22s so the F-35 air to air specifications were not as high. When Gates decided to cancel the F-22, they should immediately have revised the a2a specs of the F-35, like accelerate the NGM with 6 internal missiles and field an ejectable 9X ASAP. Usually when a program is cancelled they find cheaper alternative to try and compensate for the lack of capability. In any case, even if they had changed the specs, the plane was such a mess at that time that it would have delayed it even more!
You don’t need a gun pod modified for a single rail launched sidewinder. What you need is a new weapon, or a modified sidewinder/ASRAAM/IRIS-T/Python that can be ejected. You would need to make it an MRAAM to justify using it over 2 additional AMRAAM class missiles in an expanded load out but that is not going to be all that hard. Block-3 Sidewinder cancellation, and USAF talk of a new missile program points to a competition for something new aimed at the F-22 and F-35. I suspect we will get some sort of program in the FY18 or 19 PB request.
We all know all that. Fact is that the F-35 will be in service for its first 10 years or so without internal WVR missile. Of course the 9X block 2 should have been ejectable huh! External missiles is an half ass solution, but of course the F-35 was so late and over budget that nothing more fancy than external rails was affordable.
beats me too, its better served with a pod holding 2 aim 9x
I don’t really dislike that idea, but I think 1 9X would be enough. 2 would make the pod too draggy, and also the AMRAAMs have some WVR capability.
It might not be that easy to launch the missile though, you’d have to put the rail launcher on an extendable arm to not have separation problems with the aircraft. Something similar to the F-22 launcher with a deflector at the back.
What makes you think their stealth isn’t already sufficient, given that that is exactly what they are training to do with them?
The new generation of anti-stealth radars is going to proliferate quickly, that’s why they want the PCA as soon as they can get it.
The JSTARS would never be able to get close enough.
I wonder if they couldn’t expedite a delta tailless derivative of the F-35 to improve the stealth and range, with stock fuselage. Make it capable of only 4000 hours of flight hours to develop it faster. Minimal external payload if any to shorten dev time. The pilots would train mostly on the regular F-35s and in simulators. They could build like 50-100 of those and have them do SEAD, bomber escort and other things that require very high stealth with a2a capabilities.
Would the gain in stealth be sufficient that’s the question.
There really isn’t more space under the F-35. The gun pod sits between the weapon bay doors and in front of the hook/swiveling nozzle doors.
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The pod uses a spiral magazine to save space. Amazing.. Hard to pack more rounds in such a small space.
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It would be good it it had the ability to see through folliage.
Typhoon didn’t participate in Frisian Flag 2008 ( While Rafale did)
http://www.aviamagazine.com/reports/exercise/2008/frisianflag/index.aspx/
http://loucosporaeromodelismo.com.br/2010/11/f-4-phantom-teria-vencido-rafale-no-frisian-flag/
These dudes are extremely bad at drawing the rafale. Anyways the rafale is a whole lot better than the F-4, even with APG-65/AMRAAMs.
Anw, all these types do not have diferent ammos, no?
Kinda doubt it. Here’s the wiki page on the GSh-301. There doesn’t seem to be a specific ammo type per plane type. Maybe the PAK-FA uses a new variant of the gun, who knows..
Do you have any evidence to support the fairy tales that aggressor F-16 and F-15 weren’t linked? They care enough to make poded IRST for somes aggressor and give them surface to air missiles support but for some reasons decided to disable their link16 data link?
Luckily F-35 has no problem with F-4 or Jaguar
They draw a typhoon and they write ‘rafale eater’, very credible…
Mig-29 100 or 150 round capacity
Rafale 125 round capacity
Eurofighter 150 round capacity
Su-25 250 round capacity
Su-35 150 round capacity
Su-34 150-180 round capacity
Gripen 120 round capacity
F-35A 182 round capacity
F-35B/C 220 round capacity (external pod)All above numbers from Wikipedia.
The F-35 is pretty much right among the pack where ammo capacity is concerned. It isn’t a lot of ammo, but it is about what you get…
The Russians are working a on new generation of ammo for the PAK-FA apparently:
https://sputniknews.com/russia/201702231050984643-russia-shell-fifth-generation-aircraft/
Don’t know if they can be fired buy older planes.
The PCA/PEA could maybe be capable of attacking enemy aircraft both in the air when they attack with on board and off board AAMs and SAMs and right after they’ve landed with onboard and offboard weapons.
When the enemy aircraft egress after their mission, the PCAs can follow them from behind with their radar using LPI modes and can update dozens of stealthy cruise missiles that follow them. As soon as they’ve landed the missile locks on them with their terminal seeker and destroys them.
I doubt the F-35 would have enough range and stealth for that but maybe. If it takes off with EFT when the enemy planes are detected at long range and jettisons them a few hundreds kms after take off it could have enough range if it tries to spare its fuel.
The USN has only been involved in low intensity conflicts in the last 15 years so that would favor the super hornet. Hard to draw a definitive conclusion in those circumstances.