Lower speed and altitude mean it is harder to detect both by radar and IR sensor due to higher clutter level.It is much harder to find any aircraft in hot surface background. When the altitude is low enough the pilot can turn aways if he want with very small chance of being detected. At the same time thicker air at lower altitude aid maneuver for missiles evasion in worse case senario. It is tactical sound than your tactic of turn away immediately and get on full reheat knowing full well that they will see you.

What? I never said turning away was a good idea. It is someone else who mentionned that possibility.

If you continue head on towards the target, you’re still flying at about mach 1. Closing speed would be real fast. If you launch at high altitude it would take too long to really get to an altitude low enough to really have an effect wrt the range of the enemy sensors.

Even if you are not engaged until your salvoe has reached the targets, the survivors will have the advantage at this point, so it will be their turn to have fun with you, given that you’re out of missiles and in a low energy state.

The relevance is that it doesn’t have much range!! Add to that that it would be particularly dangerous to deploy it far from the carrier because of its low speed and it’s not really a amazing system let’s say.

It is stupid to spend so much on a carrier and aircraft that cost a fortune and not field a good EAW capability to go with it.

The USMC is in another situation as they would be helped by the CVNs if needed.

According to Red flag comments, F-35 run out of missiles still staying in the area and act as sensor for the fleet. Talking about naive, if F-35 think he will be detected right after he turn always then there is not much motivation to turn aways and alot of motivation to just reduce speed and altitude

Which will get you close to the enemy planes real quick without missile and with reduced energy. Good luck if your missiles miss!

Talk about an half-baked tactic.

Yeah the problem is that the crowsnest is a rather limited system. Low altitude, limited radar size, limited speed, high vulnerability. A E-2D would be a quantum leap capability for such a large carrier like the QE. Or maybe a AEW version of the V-22 would have been possible without CATOBAR, with maybe 80% of the capability of the E-2.

New outer wing set for F35C

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That issue with the 9X is really not important. The F-35C could carry it on other pylons, no need to spend millions on each plane to change the wingtip. Even at that, carrying the 9X would increase the RCS, so frankly it’s not such a good trade-off.

What’s much more worrying is the oscillations at take-off. I doubt they can ramp up as long as that problem is not solved.

So Su-35 pilot only know he been attacked once F-35 is already run aways ? what if F-35 pilot reduced speed after launch instead of turning away immediately ? what if F-35 pilot descend to lower altitude once he launched his missiles ?

If the F-35 turns away right after launch it will be detected within a few seconds by the IRST. The F-35 would have an advantage not by that much, all the more that the F-35 would probably be launching in supersonic so its turn radius would be much longer than that of the Su-35.

They have been carrying IRST since Red flag 13-3
https://theaviationist.com/2014/02/21/red-force-exposed-nellis/

Typhoon has IRST too.

I know they have some IRSTs, but in the video they don’t have them. Any proof that they had them in RF 17-1? Again, was the agressor considered killed right away after the F-35 launches? If yes it is too simple a scenario.

Sniper-XR has air to air mode too. Technically speaking, IRST are IR while Sniper-XR is CCD/ IIR /laser spot tracker sensor. So Sniper-XR is like an IRST system with more variety of sensor to choose from.Not to mention the resolution is better than all IRST

Then why does the F-15SG carry both the sniper and an IRST:
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30 km detection range by IRST vs >200 km targeting range by APG-81, i think F-35 will be fine

30 km detection range head on more from behind, especially if the F-35 is using its AB. If you want the AMRAAM to have a relatively good pk, the F-35 has to shoot from not too far, or the su-35 is likely to avoid them, either by turning away and accelerating, or with evasive maneuvers. And the F-35 will only have 120C for a few years.

The F-35 cerainly has a big advantage of being able to launch first, but you have to look carefully at how those kills are counted at RF. As I said before a WVR missile has much better chances of success than a long range BVR shot. And think about it, if you were an su-35 pilot and if you managed to see visually an F-35, wouldn’t you shoot everything you’ve got at it? I certainly would try to shoot my 4 archers at it at once!

I think it depends on whether you had back up or not. If you had back up then it is good to turn 180 degrees and run because you can bait enemy fighters into your back up. Tail chase range of missiles isn’t very long in most case.
Alternatively, descent below cloud after missiles is launched is a good defense too. Cloud reduces IRST range significantly ( near useless) while you can still use your radar to guide your missiles
Side aspects has higher RCS but much lower Doppler shift

Doppler radar modes are mode for look down shoot down.

If the Su-35 sees the F-35 when it turns away immediately after launch, it knows it’s been attacked, so it can turn away immediately too to avoid the AMRAAM.

Not all agressor F-16 had the new IRST pod.

Pretty much the same thing. Sniper-XR has air to air mode too

Any source that they really did carry the IRST? The Sniper is not a real IRST, although it can be cued to tracks obtained by other sources.

And if the F-35s face the same number of Su-35s, they would all have IRSTs.

I watched that esterday:

I didn’t see any Agressor F-16 with IRSTs. The other F-16s had sniper pods, but the sniper is not a real IRST.