I suppose it makes a seasonal change from the Roundel Police!!
Speaking of seasons and the Roundel Police: of course we all know (don’t we) that underwing roundels were not introduced on the black&white underside scheme until the Battle of France started in the earnest, by which time (mid-May) the only whitish thing on the ground was the sand on Dunkirk beaches… Not sure what tractors were used there.
(My coat on, already.)
Graham, whoever you are told by, he’s right, so you should rather say ‘lower number marks’, as they weren’t earlier chronologically speaking.
Daz, when you say ‘IV’ you should say ‘F.IV’. The PR.IV had a fixed one.
oldgit, you seem to have missed the joke, too! This thread is not about retractable legs, it’s about retractable tailwheels. I never suspected Mark12 had one…
Moggy, I think you haven’t quite done your homework! Your listing misses one important point:
A handful of British pilots in Spitfires and Hurricanes taking on the might of the Luftwaffe, getting a good hiding from them, and then a couple of those brave guys coming from America and securing Britain’s shores from invasion and thus certain defeat.
This is the version known to lots of people all over the world who have watched ‘Pearl Harbor’ the movie carefully. I wouldn’t be surprised if there were more of them than of those who believe in any of the stories you have listed.
As PeteH said, I have no reason to doubt what Eric Marsden told me. Not least of all because (a) he was there (b) had a razor sharp memory for detail and minutiae, and, (c) having dug out some interview notes from 1980 I see that broadly the same figures were given to me by a Fitter IIE who was at Kenley in 1940 (20 miniutes and 8 minutes) and two other fitters who moved between Hurricane and Spitfire squadrons. One of those said about 25 and 10 whilst the other couldn’t recall but agreed Eric Marsden’s figures.
Not doubting any of these figures from fitters, had any of them moved from Spitfires to work on Hurricanes, or were they all switching from Hurricanes to Spitfires? If the latter was the case, wouldn’t it be, to some extent at least, the usual case of longer turnaround time on any new type of machinery before you get used to it, after you’ve worked on the previous type for quite a while and learned to handle it profficiently?
Lefti (Lef Kurilovic) checked me before on the Boccian. I still have pictures of the pirat and Lefti from this even in 1972.
Here’s another face to go with the name. Lew Kurylowicz at Northolt: in 1943 in front of his Spitfire, and in 1960s at the Polish Air Force Memorial. Note the badge below his decorations.
He was a great character. Survived Soviet gulags before coming to UK in 1942. In 1943 he spent three days in a dinghy in the Channel, writing down his feelings on his collar (the collar is now on display at the Sikorski Museum in London). Shot down in early August 1944, he spent the last nine months of the war in German captivity. Ironically, during his post-war gliding he met Hanna Reitsch, the famous Nazi German female pilot.
Recap:
Main use between Sept. 1939 and Dec. 1945
British built single engined fighter used operationally
engine: no V12 (so none of the Merlin or Griffon-engined types), no Napier Sabre (so no Typhoon or NS-powered Tempest)
Not used by the Royal Navy (so no Gladiator)
No Tempest II
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When you said it was British, did you mean built by a British company?
Used operationally?
Thanks, Moggy. Is that your own definition, or can you tell me your source?
Oh, and here’s that last shot, by the way…

The inscription is:
Karp. Pulk Ulanów
Cairo – Polish Forces M.E.
Sikorski Jerzy (29)
Karpacki Pulk Ulanów (or, more correctly, Pulk Ulanów Karpackich) was Carpathian Mounted Rifles Regiment, part of the Polish Carpathian Brigade that defended Tobruk during late months of 1941. I presume that’s where he earned his Star. I think March 1942 might be rather too early for anyone ex-USSR captivity to earn this decoration.
Kev, would it be possible to have a look at the “unknown inscriptions in Polish”?
I know of another member of 304 Sqn who was posted to No. 17 Aircrew Holding Unit (ACHU) at RAF Snaith in July 1945. He then went to No. 1333 Transport Support Conversion Unit at RAF Syerston. So, the Snaith/Transport Command link is plausible.
Some Polish flying crew members joined the RAF on disbandment of the exiled Polish Air Force. I know of Polish WW2 pilots who then flew heavy bombers with the RAF after the war. Therefore the link with Lancasters and/or 83 Sqn is not unlikely for a flyer of another air crew trade.
Finally (or perhaps I should have started with the question): is Jerzy Sikorski’s next-of-kin interested in this research? Closest relatives can ask for his service details at the Ministry of Defence, APC Polish Enquiries (0044 20 8833 8603). With a bit of luck there might be a thick file for him.
Port view of a nice warbird.
Shuttleworth?
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