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  • in reply to: Jan Zumbach's Spitfire VB #1413135
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    Damn Airfix confusing the hell out of me – their 1/72 depicts BM144 with later-type roundels (unless it did fly like that?).

    During her time as RF-D, BM144 has flown first with early and then with late style roundels. Also the Donald Duck motif was altered (but not at the same time when roundels were repainted).

    in reply to: East Berlin & Krakow Museum #1426274
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    Thanks, Paul!

    in reply to: East Berlin & Krakow Museum #1428071
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    thanks for the positive ID

    Don’t hesitate to ask if you have any other weird Polish stuff there.
    Can you identify the exact East Berlin location for me? Any more photos that show the building? It has just struck me that some wartime photos of captured allied aircraft exhibition may have been taken there, too.

    in reply to: East Berlin & Krakow Museum #1428250
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    on the tail it say MD-12 – possibly an Illyushin

    Misztal-Duleba MD-12 – a passenger/aerial survey machine of Polish design. Never built in quantity.

    in reply to: an invitation to bomb London #1345528
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    Voytech
    thank you.
    From you I’ll take that as a sizeable compliment.

    “That’s why I wrote it…”

    in reply to: an invitation to bomb London #1347537
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    Deighton perpetuates the story that the JU87 was particularly effective in Spain. This is a myth; there were no squadrons of Ju87’s causing havoc in Spain.
    I can’t say I really blame Deighton for this as I think the Stuka stories go all the way back to the civil war itself.
    More recent research would suggest that at any one time there were never more than five JU87’s in Spain and their use was very limited. The bulk of close support operations in Spain carried out by the Condor Legion were by Heinkel He 51’s and Henschel Hs123’s. The Hs123 was a dive-bomber but the He 51 was originally designed as a fighter.

    Isn’t it simply a question of misunderstanding? From the German viewpoint “Stukas” were widely used in Spain, because “Stuka” is simply an abbreviation for a dive bomber.

    I wil certainly be pleased to read more of Andy in books.

    VoyTech
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    Pic 8 of the last lot – that’s dad still wearing his flying gear just beyond the officer inspecting!

    A huge thank you to Mark12 for posting these photos for me. i spoke to dad this evening, unfortunately he really can’t remember a great deal however I shall show him this thread again and hopefully that will trigger the grey cells. My mum has found more pictures in the attic which I am due to collect next tuesday. Apparantly there are also some items (photos?) from my dad’s uncle (RN) who was lost in the Battle of Jutland (Great War)!

    Just got back to the forum after a couple days and of course I started with this thread. Still as good as the first time!
    wysiwywg, please come back with any photos your parents find in the attic or elsewhere.

    in reply to: Any news on Spitfire MK959?(Zombie thread) #1360236
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    I am just reporting from my notes. The movement transfer recorded on the card and the first operational flight two days later look credible.

    I was wondering if it wasn’t the case of “Mov. Card says she arrived on 15 June, so let’s check post-15 June entries in the ORB”. I had made that error with other Spitfires in Polish squadrons in the past, and it took me a while to realise the “15 June” was irrelevant to true delivery dates in most cases. So, my question is: are there possibly any MK959 entries in no. 329 ORB before 15 June?

    Are you suggesting that movement card entires were held in ‘limbo’ during this

    I am quite positive that most (if not all) movements of Spitfires between units during the first five months of 1944 were not recorded in the Movement Cards, and those in June are in most cases entered under an incorrect date. It seems that nobody bothered about this particular type of document during the heat of invasion preparations and the first days of the landings. Messrs. Shores and Thomas confirm this in their “2 TAF” book published recently.

    in reply to: Any news on Spitfire MK959?(Zombie thread) #1360371
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    After.
    I made a hand written transcription of the record card and the ORB at Air Historical Branch MoD some time in the early 1970’s.
    I was preparing the full history of MK959 for the Dutch Air Force, Harry van der Meer and myself having just located the true RAF ID.

    Do you have reasons to believe the 15 June date is more credible for MK959 than it is for any other Spitfire at the time?
    MK959 was previously WX-F in 302 (Polish) Sqn. Their ORB listed all sorts of flights, not just operations. The last entry for MK959 is (as you probably know) on 30 May. So if the 15 June date is correct, where was she for a fortnight?
    The next WX-F was ML309. According to the Movement Card this Spitfire was delivered to no. 302 on 15 June (of course), but in fact it seems ML309 was flown by the unit’s pilots already in the first week of June.

    VoyTech
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    This is close to being one of the best threads we’ve ever had.

    Quite!

    in reply to: Any news on Spitfire MK959?(Zombie thread) #1360412
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    Without the book in front of me I can’t be sure, but I think Pierre Clostermann was a “sous capitan” at one point.

    Sure he was, but “Sous Capitan” (literally “Sub-Captain”) is called Lieutenant in French.

    in reply to: Any news on Spitfire MK959?(Zombie thread) #1360422
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    17 June 1944
    S. C. Kerguelen Y.
    Yellow section
    14.20 – 16.20
    Patrol BAYEUX

    Will 17 June be the first flight of MK959 in 329 noted in the ORB?

    SC will be the rank of the French pilot – something like ‘Sous Capitan’ – help 🙂 .

    Sergeant (my spelling probably incorrect) Chef, I think.

    Record card. Viewed prior to being stolen from AHB said:-
    329 Squadron…. 15 June 1944

    Mark, have you posted this before or after reading our exchange of posts about the paper “15 June” movements some minutes ago?

    in reply to: Any news on Spitfire MK959?(Zombie thread) #1360594
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    If however you are saying that this is a “paperwork” date then I will amend my notes, and thank you for the information.
    I do not unfortunately have any other information about her movement to 329 Sqn

    It would be interesting to know when MK959 first appeared in 329 ORB or pilots’ log books.

    VoyTech
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    Yes to the latter and my wife tells me that she has heard that at present it is just parts for a crash diorama but then all the rest started out like that.

    Again that collector friend of your wife’s?

    in reply to: Any news on Spitfire MK959?(Zombie thread) #1362164
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    In my notes I have her going to 329 Sqn at RAF Merston on 15/06/1944 and then to 163 Sqn on 30/08/1944

    May I ask what is the source of your notes?
    We have already discussed this on another thread: according to Movement Cards virtually all 2 TAF Spitfire movements in June 1944 took place on 15 June. Comparison with ORBs and pilots’ log books proves that in fact (obviously) many of these movements took place on other dates. The “15 June” which must have been due to some paperwork procedure.

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