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  • in reply to: Night rating #434667
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    infact Steve

    If you repost it in another topic I’ll make it a sticky thread, I know the info is only relevant until the CAA update or change the rulings etc but we can cross that bridge as and when this happens

    D.

    Done, still in General Aviation, but under “UK Night flying & IFR / SVFR / VFR” and slightly edited to make it stand alone.

    Regards,
    Steve.

    in reply to: Night rating #434683
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    Go for it & the rules…

    I did my night qualification a couple of years back, and as a few people have said, the experience is fantastic. Solo circuits at night over Oxford has to be seen to be believed, and the solo nav (I went all the way around Brize zone, so I could turn right in a hurry if I needed to!) was an experience not to be missed – with pretty much each waypoint clearly visible from the previous one! Remember night is from 30 mins AFTER sunset to 30 mins BEFORE sunrise, so it is really dark, although it is just possible to land at night with no airfield lighting during the summer, but generally only by a few minutes after “night”.

    As far as IFR/SVFR at night goes, here goes…
    If you are flying in a CTR (control zone), you need ATC permission regardless of what the weather or daylight, and you need to comply. The only change is that by UK law, VFR clearances cannot be issued at night, so your flight plan (and you need one if you’re flying in a CTR, even though you may just call it “booking out” – Rules 27 & 31 of ANO Rules of the Air) will be SVFR or IFR. In real terms, to you as a pilot, it will not make a lot of difference, except that you may get delayed longer due to ATC’s separation requirements (SVFR & IFR are separated, VFR flights are not, as I am sure you’re aware). This bit is in the Rules of the Air Rule 22. Once you are outside the CTR, you are flying IFR, as SVFR only exists inside a CTR. In real terms this means you comply with Rules 29 and 30, and if you then want to enter CAS under IFR you additionally come under Rules 31 and 32. Lost yet?

    The real fun comes in the weather criteria, as ANO Schedule 8 Section 1 part 1 para 2 c ii requires 10km vis for a PPL flying under SVFR in a CTR – obviously more than you require under VFR. Part d includes the bit about night qualification, and the privileges of a night qualification are in Schedule 8 part B – Ratings.

    Oh, and the good bit? ATC do not know your qualifications, and are permitted to issue SVFR CTR clearances when the visibility is above 1800m, or the cloud ceiling is 600ft or higher. If you accept this clearance, you’re outside your licence (assuming you hold a PPL – IMC or IR ratings allow variations in these minima).

    Bear in mind, this lot mainly concerns flight in a CTR. If you’re flying OCAS, the ANO permits a visibility of 3km, and all you have to do is fly within rules 29 and 30 (obviously in addition to your normal rules) – the IFR minimum height rule (different to rule 5), and the quadrantal rule if flying above 3000ft or the transition altitude, whichever is the higher.

    As an aside, the only difference from ATC’s viewpoint between SVFR and IFR is that a specific level cannot be issued, and the pilot is on their own navigation, rather than a heading. SVFR flights require the same separation standards (with some exemptions such as the access lanes in the London CTR) as IFR flights, which is why SVFR flights may be subject to holding outside CAS, or on the ground. The navigation thing is because ATC do not know where cloud is etc, so the pilot may have to avoid cloud and deviate from a flight path. The same is true of altitude. This is why you get stuck with a vis of 10km as a minima, to allow pilots to remain within the terms their clearance and licence. So generally, expect a clearance along the lines of “leave the zone via route A not above altitude 2000 feet, SVFR, report leaving the zone”.

    It sounds horrendous – but if you read through the rules they’re common sense and should keep you safe inside CAS – outside it’s back to the mark 1 eyeball, but we all fly with that anyway, and a strobe against a dark sky is easier to see than a white aeroplane against some nice fluffy white clouds!

    Enjoy flying at night, and hope this info makes some sense,
    Steve.

    in reply to: PA28-140 1/12 Share available – Turweston #434685
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    Humbled in the face of experience!

    Quote:
    Originally Posted by R.weaver, October 2004:
    “My mistake, I have just turned 17…”

    in reply to: Reports of a near miss today at LHR. #731855
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    I am so glad this has come up. It stinks of the same irony as the CAA printing “Intentionally Blank” on a page in their documents. Shouldn’t that be “Intentionally Printed On”?

    As far as a near miss (which, I would tend to agree, means that they collided, but only just), or near hit (they missed, just) is concerned, perhaps that’s why we’re now supposed to refer to them as an Airprox?

    Steve.

    in reply to: R.weaver P.I.C to Alderney #437768
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    ANO Art 21 states…

    (5) (a) Notwithstanding the provisions of paragraph (1), a person may, unless the
    certificate of airworthiness in force in respect of the aircraft otherwise requires,
    act as pilot of an aircraft registered in the United Kingdom for the purpose of
    undergoing training or tests for the grant or renewal of a pilot’s licence or for the
    inclusion, renewal or extension of a rating therein without being the holder of an
    appropriate licence, if the conditions specified in sub-paragraph (b) are complied
    with:
    (b) (i) No other person shall be carried in the aircraft or in an aircraft being towed
    thereby except:
    (aa) a person carried as a member of the flight crew in compliance with this
    Order;
    (bb) a person authorised by the CAA to witness the aforesaid training or
    tests or to conduct the aforesaid tests; or
    (cc) if the pilot in command of the aircraft is the holder of an appropriate
    licence, a person carried for the purpose of being trained or tested as
    a member of the flight crew of an aircraft.

    As far as I can see, that means if you’re going as P1/S or P/UT, no one else may be in the aircraft, other than the instructor who is licensed to fly said aircraft solo. If you’re not going to log the time, then the aircraft would need to be registered, insured, and operated, as an air taxi, which I believe is a whole different ball game from the way most FTOs operate their aircraft. Seeing as you’re not planning it until July, I am sure that a quick phone call or fax to SRG will clarify this point.

    in reply to: C150 share for sale Cranfield #437769
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    Playing with Cu-nims

    Hmm, an interesting thought, trying to outclimb CBs. Still, I guess maybe something like an SU27 or MiG29 may do it, but for the rest of us, AIC 72/2001 (Pink 22) has some good advice, from the AIP website! Personally, I shall stay the recommended 10 miles away, even though I can fly without “sight of surface & clear of cloud”.

    Steve.

    PS Thanks for the link, Martin, a good wheeze…

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