Film of the bf109 being raised in 2012: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8JhcFM7XD4Y, it was a Bf.109E shot down May 11th, 1940.
More info on the P-47D http://www.strijdbewijs.nl/top/v/p-47D.htm (pilot recovered as well, in 1995).
The Stirling: http://www.flevolanderfgoed.nl/home/erfgoed/zuidelijk-flevoland-2/vliegtuigwrakken/stirling-lll-bk710-oj-a.html
Well spotted – B25 is N5148
Photo has on back SHQ Amman 15.7.42
N5-148 was a NEIAF B-25 ferried through India to the Dutch East Indies early 1942 but before it could be delivered, the Indies fell to the Japanese. The aircraft remained in India, and was taken over by the RAF.
Technically speaking it was not the Zuiderzee (not Zuider Zee), but IJsselmeer, since it had been dammed pre-war. Schiphol is not in a section of it. Parts of the IJsselmeer were reclaimed in various decades of the 20th century, but Schiphol is in the Haarlemmermeerpolder (an inland lake reclaimed in the 19th century).
A large amount of aircraft (and crew) were found when the Flevopolders were reclaimed in the 60s and 70s (which prompted the documentary). They were the last large land reclaimations. Several aircraft have come to light since, in the IJsselmeer itself, and some have been recovered. An early model Me109 (shot down May 1940, recovered last year I think), a substantially complete P-47 some years ago (that toured several museums), a Stirling (but another forum member will be able to fill you in on parts located), a Wellington a month ago (although very fragmented). There are thought to be another couple of dozens of wrecks still not located.
That is stunning work, David. Looking very good!
This 51 was reserved on the Dutch register years ago, together with a P-40. Did anything come out of it, or what?
T J
Nothing came out of it, P-51 wise. Reservation was cancelled around five years ago as well.
You have to hand it to the forum: it’s a great place. Last Monday I had the pleasure of showing June Simpson around, who is the niece of tail gunner Thomas Trollope. We had been in contact through one of the webmasters because of this thread for some years now, and fortunately June was able to come over and visit the recovery-effort. She was shown around by Sqn/Ldr Arie Kappert who is directing the work, deputy mayor Herman van der Steege of Heerde council, and representatives of the foundation that owns the grounds in which the aircraft came down (Vrieze’s Erfgoed). Wolter Noordman, who has been researching the case for over 30 years, was able to answer a lot of questions, and seeing the remains of the aircraft was quite an emotional experience for all, knowing that these seven young men gave their lives for our freedom.
So would you say the same about all the Civil War re enactments then ??
The difference is that people who lived through WW2 are still alive. Re-enactments not only keep memories alive, but they also trigger the bad memories of people who lived through an ordeal associated with re-enactments.
The link to the movie which was produced for the 250 school children who visited the site last Thursday:
Updating information, the site is now being re-landscaped. For historical reasons the main impact site, the ‘dent’ in the dyke will be put back as a lasting memorial to the aircraft’s crew. Recently surfaced documents on a 1947 attempt by authorities to identify the unknown crew member buried at Wapenveld cemetery since 1943, seem to indicate that the grave is actually the last resting place of two crew members. These historical documents combined with the remains found last week should be a good starting point for an attempt at formally identifying the last four crew members who have been missing since 1943, although the process knows many uncertainties, and could take years. Fingers crossed.
Aircraftwise, a surprising amount of wreckage has come to light. A heap of partially molten aircraft structure, mostly from the mid fuselage and wings it would seem. Large chunks of wing main spar, a prop hub, oxygen canisters, lots of wiring looms, a main wheel tyre and the tail wheel. Various engine components including a generator and casing fragments, half an undercarriage leg in bits, and so on. An earlier recovery form the site was the pilot’s seat, which is displayed at the current exhibition on the crew and their last flight.
Mods, a date or year in the thread title would be great.
Today’s fantastic news from the site is that remains of two crew members have been found and recovered by the army identification unit. Of the crew of seven, only three crew members are officially accounted for, and are buried near Amersfoort. The other four are officially still missing in action, and remembered on the Runnymede memorial. However, a nameless Commonwealth war grave at the local cemetery at Wapenveld contains the remains of crew members that were recovered from the wreck in the weeks after the 1943 crash when the main wreckage was lifted from the canal.
Aircraft-wise, the recovered bits are very fragmented as this was a high-energy impact that saw a lot of larger sections removed by German forces in the weeks after the crash. Recognizable parts include a complete prop hub with the blades sheared off, oxygen canisters, a large section of wing spar, and an aerial. Also, small ammunition has been found.
Excavation will last another couple of days to finish the last areas to be searched.
[U]MJ271 Dutch Spitfire at Duxford
Mark, I was not intending to take down Harry’s work. I know what he did for the aircraft, with very limited resources available. I was referring to the work done before that, at Delfzijl, and work carried out after the restoration. Harry has been instrumental in saving important aircraft right from the time that nobody saw their value down to the present.
It was a very sad decision indeed that the aircraft was allowed to leave the Lelystad collection. The subsequent management decisions and bankruptcy of the Aviodrome left dozens unemployed, and had lasting consequences for the welfare of several historically import but less glamourous aircraft from their collection. One of them is sitting outside my workshop awaiting a decision on its future as I type this.
More bits going into and onto the starboard wing. The spar and D-box have been boroscoped and things just never are easy are they? Found some damaged D-ribs about halfway and the wing has been opened up for some surgery there to reconstruct them.
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Also, near the root there was a loose glue joint on rib 2. It was opened up and a new bit of ply scarfed in. As a bonus this allowed for extra preventive corrosion treatment of the main wing attachment (which looks very clean considering what the aircraft has been through).
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Looks like the Holandair Libel (sic) in it’s later guise.
John
Tis just that.
My lad reckoned it just needed a new prop and off it would go – but then he’s only three.
It looks better than it is. Amongst issues to sort is a cut main spar, and some decades of well-meant cosmetic repairs by museum volunteers that followed a period of years of outdoor display in a saline environment and decoy use at a military base. It will need a ground-up restoration to fly.