There’s a pretty good book that covers questions like this. Jonathan Livingston Seagull (Richard Bach)…
There’s a pretty good book that covers questions like this. Jonathan Livingston Seagull (Richard Bach)…
Is the right answer.
What’s this then (apart from very ugly)?
Here: http://www.bleriot.nl/page7.html
The guy built a flying replica AND a model (well: 1:3 scale hardly counts as a model!)
Again, the NL-series were NOT Netherlands AF, but Netherlands Government Air Transport.
PH-ARB became G-AGBD, NL-202, PH-TBD, G-AGBD, YU-ABM, 4W-ABH and was wfu Aden in 1979 and broken up.
PH-ARZ became G-AGBE, then NL-201, PH-TBE and was w/o 18Nov1946 in France.
VHCXD was w/o Higgins Field QNLD 5May1945, the wreck is still there.
As you know, A30-14 and its Moorabbin and Albury sisters A30-9 and A30-11 were all acquired by Syd Marshall and kept as spares for his flying DC-2 VH-CDZ which as per above also acquired a wider fin some time after its original delivery and I do wonder if Syd removed the wider fin from A30-14 and fitted it to CDZ post war which could explain why A30-14 has spent most of its post war life without one fitted?
Attached below is a photo of A30-14 in storage with Marshall in Sydney, sans its fin.
Thanks for the picture. I knew of it, but did not have it. I do have two however around here somewhere showing it in the same yard in different angles, and also has the two Spitfires in the pictures that were there at the time. Will try and dig them up for you. No fin attached, sorry. Next time I get to visit the store I’ll try and check which fins are with it.
Certainly A30-14 had the original standard fin when delivered for service to the RAAF, I am not sure I have seen a photo of it showing its fin in post war storage? or with DDA?
I think there’s no pictures published post-service showing it with the fin attached. As it sits now, it is somewhat overcomplete regarding parts, and I seem to recall that when we took it off the ship (Years ago!) there were a least two fins with it. I think they were both narrow, but can’t be sure.
D0-3 survives only as a derelict but preserved fuselage, and is sans its fin,(although it seems it may be displayed next to the fuselage as seen in the photo below?, although it seems more likely a DC-3/C-47 fin with the provision for the dorsal fin?) however it does still clearly have the two nose mounted landing lights, despite being quite a late delivery DC-2-200 s/n 1562 and delivered in May 1936.
That tail is off OH-LCG, a DC-3 that lived on with another fin, and does not belong to the DC-2. Incidently, the museum also has a complete DC-3 on display, and the wreck of the DC-3 tail OH-LCA in storage.
Yes,but when did it last fly? Hasn’t it been parked up at the Aviodrome for quite a few years now, and didn’t the new owners say there is no intention to fly any of he collection in the foreseeable future?
THe New owners of the Aviodrome (Libema Group) have indeed stated that it is not their intention to fly any aircraft in their collection. However, they do not own the DC-2. The DC-2 and Constellation went to a consortium of Schiphol Group, KLM and council Lelystad during the bankruptcy. It is still based at Lelystad.
Eric….The DC-2 remained registered to KLM (at various London addresses) whilst marked G-AGBH in WWII and was never owned by BOAC, though it operated on charter to BOAC….see CAA document
http://www.caa.co.uk/docs/HistoricalMaterial/G-AGBH.pdf
Ah yes, always happy to stand corrected. KLM more or less joined with BOAC for European ops, with Dutch crew members flying BOAC’s transatlantic route on BOAC aircraft (experience that served them well post war with KLM). The services operated by KLM were BOAC’s (Lisbon springs to mind), and crew were interchanged with BOAC, but some aircraft remained property of KLM (the pre-war ones that made it to England mainly). Most of the KLM/BOAC aircraft were in camo c/s, with BOAC titles and Dutch flags on them.
Transfer[I]red from RNeth.AF (as DC-2):
1584 PH-ALE KLM; BOAC G-AGBH; RAF/RNeth.AF, NL203 1316 Sqdn.; PH-TBB[/I]
Actually, this is not the case. PH-ALE went to the UK in May 1940 fleeing the German invasion, became G-AGBH with BOAC (with Dutch crews), then NL203 with Netherlands Government Air Transport in 1945. It was reserved as PH-TBB but not taken up, reverted to G-AGBH and was written off Malta 3Oct1946.
NGAT was a post-war Dutch government agency, not a part of the RAF. It was the successor of 1316 Sq. RAF in many ways, but the DC-2 never flew with 1316 unlike most other NGAT aircraft.
Booty ex-Luftwaffe, 1945: DC-2 XXXX, PH-XXX; VP102
I have seen this quoted more often as ex Dutch. I have never seen the source of that information however: what is yours (not a website please). IF, and that’s a very very big IF, it was Dutch, then it could be c/n 1363, formerly SG+KV, D-EAEN, PH-AKQ. This former Luftwaffe aircraft was surrendered to the RAF at Flensburg on 6May1945.
1288 NC13738 EA; 9/5/41 RAAF A30-14/VHCRH; 1943: ANA; wfu 2/47 (pres. DDA)
This is certainly not preserved, but stored dismantled for spares use.
Transferred from RNeth.AF[/B] 1/42 (as DC-2):
1375 PK-AFK KNILM; RAAF VHCXG, 44-83226
1376 PK-AFL KNILM; 41-1376; RAAF VHCXH, 44-83227, VH-ADZ/-CDZ (pres.SYD).
These were never RNethAF, but owned by the KNILM, and impressed when fled to Australia when the Japanese invaded the East Indies.
I like DC-2s. Sad there are none currently flying. 🙁
Actually, there is one.
Is the V2 also at Duxford now, and if so, can it be photographed in a decent way?
Glad that that – unlike Concorde – was not ‘flown in’.
And just to show the ‘reliable’ information that is in papers:
tells of the aircraft flying around in the Lübeck (Germany) area without its crew after they supposedly jumped out over the Westerschelde off Borssele.