yes, J.V., you’re right about the crash !
[any other markings ?] , Greg , I don’t think so… in fact i don’t succeed to find any other pics of it 😡
friendly, Etienne
So, from left to right- Dutch, French, German, and Belgian flags- right?
Nearly 50 years ago ;
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This ‘FX11’ was presented during the 1963 Air show at Le Bourget.
It broke the speed record between Brussels and Paris setting it to 9 min 55 seconds on June 6, 1963
averaging a speed of 1.575 Km/h for the distance of 260,6 km.
At the controls was Bernard Neefs, SABCA chief testpilot.friendly yours,
ETIENNE
Any other markings on this one other than the four flags on the nose? Very interesting!
Hello, Greg,
I’ve found again your old post ( Sm A/F thread # 12 p14 post 413 ) about the special tail of that ARMENIAN Su-25 ;
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(was this one the ‘lost’ image in your post ?)
friendly yours,
Etienne
That’s it!!! Wish we could see the nose and the tops and bottoms of the wings! By the way, the white script on the top of the vertical stabilizer says “ARMENIA” in Armenian.
Hello Etienne,
Unfortunately I still do not have a solution for this aircraft. Maybe effectively some kind of pre-test of a “modified” Georgian roundel made during a refurbishment in Ukraine (as this particular roundel that we have seen earlier on a Mozambique MiG-21 in Romania). The result is a paintjob closer to a Malta Cross than a Georgian one.
I looked at the cross again, and you’re right. It is a Maltese cross, not a Georgian one. Well, looks like this one is still a mystery.
well seen your comments, Gerard & Greg, thanks…
a ‘similar ‘ one to the Georgian ?………mmh !!……:confused:
but… on the official site of the Georgian Army, I see only their ‘classic’ star ;
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What do YOU think, Archangelski ??:o
friendly yours,
Etienne
There are many variations to national markings on aircraft. For instance, I have a picture of an Armenian Su-25 with their coat-of-arms on the tail, superimposed on their air force roundel. I also have a picture of an Abkhazian L-39 with their national emblem on the tail, not their roundel. Will post when I can.
about this unknown cross ;
………………………………..[ATTACH=CONFIG]225264[/ATTACH]MAYBE…. this is (the beginning of ) the solution ;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Bulgarian_Air_Force_roundel_1938.svg
friendly, Etienne
It’s Georgian. I am having trouble attaching images, but when I get it resolved I will attach one of the Georgian flag. It has four smaller crosses of the same type as is on the L-39.
United Europe Air Force- see also United Arab Republic Air Force. :dev2:
IIAF : What if … ?
F-16 :
Unfortunatelly, never delivered. Only seen here in scalemodel form.
They’d have put twin fins on it and said it was entirely their original design.
REALLY interesting views !! thanks, Archangelski ….
was this also a Persian one ?? (see stripes under the wing ! ) :
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It’s Norwegian. From the stripes on the aileron of the Persian example, it is evident that it was formerly a Norwegian bird.
[ Osprey Special. It was apparently a single-seater. ]
Sorry, for me it seems to be a two-seater !! ;
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He was referring to the photo with three Ospreys in flight. The rear one in the background is a single-seater.
well, as a Venezuelan myself I didn´t know about the use of vertical stripes in early Venezuelan air force a/c… if so this is very uncommon or maybe a mistake then… I wonder how you got the confirmation?
This is a Venezuelan CW-14 Curtiss Osprey with horizontal stripes on rudder…
[ATTACH=CONFIG]224910[/ATTACH]Sorry for the Offtopic…
Another pic: the first Do-228 for the Venezuelan AMB (Bolivarian Military Aviation) in delivery flight
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Pic taken on January 22nd, in Gran Canary island (Spain) by Alejandro Hernández León.Regards.-
I sent the photo to Dan Hagedorn. I don’t think there is another person on the face of the earth with more knowledge of Central and South American, as well as Caribbean, aviation. Here is his reply:
“Yes, those are Venezuelan aircraft but note that the aircraft in the rear is the extremely elusive Osprey Special, which has defied definition. It was apparently a single-seater.
Besides Venezuela, El Salvador, Colombia, Ecuador, Panama (strictly speaking, not Ospreys) and Bolivia were the solitary users of the C.14R Osprey. You might want to check the book from Schiffer which I completed for friend Francis Dean entitled ‘Curtiss Fighters’ for more details.”
Well, it’s look like Venezuela – but at first look only. But Venezuela has horizontal stripes on rudders:
http://wp.scn.ru/en/markings/opers/america/138
More versions ? Or, maybe, during some unknown period this country has version of insignia with vertical stripes ?
Just confirmed that they are from Venezuela.
And what You think about this description:
http://wp.scn.ru/en/markings/opers/america/182
– there are horizontal stripes again !
You know, you all have a good point. Bolivia had and still has horizontal stripes. Looked up the Osprey, which was also known as the Travel Air 2000, and listed operators were Panama, Colombia, and Ecuador. This may be an Ecuadorian example, but the rudder stripes don’t look right. It may be Brazilian. I will check with Dan Hagedorn, arguably the foremost authority in the world on Latin American aviation. If he doesn’t know, nobody will. Back with everybody asap.
Well, dear Small Air Force experts !
Let’s make the real thing. Here is image of Curtiss “Osprey”. I think, it belongs to one of South American Air Force (or one of Central American AF). What particular Air Force is this ? Sorry – no better image:
This is a Bolivian example.
Hi Gkozak, could you give me the link to the video.
Thanks.