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November 18, 2008 at 9:22 pm in reply to: Small Air Forces and Unusual Markings/Colors #1218306

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Afghan Hawker Hind

Here are a couple of photos of an Afghan Hawker Hind, from the site “Roundels of the World,” at
http://cocardes.monde.online.fr/v2html/en/maj.html.

November 18, 2008 at 9:15 pm in reply to: Small Air Forces and Unusual Markings/Colors #1218311

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Thanks, Everybody

Chaps,

I am concerned that someone (or anyone) feels that this discussion has degenerated into “flaming”. Surely not? That was certainly not my intention!

Claims like these are commonplace in such a complex subject (e.g. WW2). Switch the country of operation for a moment– ‘a squadron of German pilots defecting to the UK where they operated captured Fw 190s against the homeland’. Virtually every person on this forum would quickly post to rubbish this idea as ‘nonsense’, which it is. This is true because the main expertise to be had here devolves around the RAF; ergo, it would be seen to be “obvious” that such a claim was wrong. My expertise devolves around the VVS, so I simply answered in precisely the same manner, with the impossibility of the claim being similarly self-evident to me. I intended no flaming nor insults.

Maple01 recalled photos of 190Ds in VVS markings. There were a number of such aircraft. Indeed, there were a formidable number of captured German aircraft in Soviet markings. These were evaluated by the air force (VVS)– sometimes even at the regimental level– and by the various testing fraternities. With a singular exception (this during the winter of 1941/42 in the 402 IAP), none of these aircraft were flown on military missions nor employed in combat. The often seen caption that they were ‘turned on their original users’ is the typical such myth.

As I reckon Fabe was pointing out, such employment would not be overly wise. Not only in terms of recognition, mind, but in simple logistics. Combat flying is exceedingly demanding on aircraft, and were such machines to be used in this way they would be rendered unflyable after 2-3 sorties. And how then should they be serviced and repaired? Used, as they actually were, in orientation and familiarisation flights, such captured machines could remain in flyable condition for months. And so they did.

Now, to get us back on track (as it were) with relevance to the original thread, here is a profile of exactly such an ex-Luftwaffe fighter in VVS markings. This Bf 109G-2 was photographed at the LII (one of the Soviet testing fraternities) during the autumn of 1942.

The profile and Copyright are via E. Pilawskii

I appreciate everybody’s feedback on the FW-190. That’s one reason forums like this are so great- they not only promote the spread of knowledge, but also the verification and validation of that knowledge.

November 18, 2008 at 1:30 am in reply to: Small Air Forces and Unusual Markings/Colors #1219083

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No Bother To Me

Perhaps someone will be kind enough to draw this response to the attention of Moggy C!

I merely pointed out the obvious- if a moderator has an issue with an objective, factual, non-threatening question, he or she should not be a moderator. I’d be happy to inform the moderator in question myself. I’m certain he would agree.

November 17, 2008 at 12:27 am in reply to: Small Air Forces and Unusual Markings/Colors #1220520

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You Must Be Kidding

Cor, I was chided by a certain moderator for asking a question only half as assertive as this!

If a moderator is stupid enough to castigate someone for asking a question like that, they shouldn’t be moderating.

November 16, 2008 at 1:49 pm in reply to: Small Air Forces and Unusual Markings/Colors #1221069

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Far Eastern Republic Farman 30

A Far Eastern Republic Farman 30. From the book “Aviation in the Civil War in Russia,” by Vyacheslav Kondratiev and Marat Khairulin.

November 16, 2008 at 1:39 pm in reply to: Small Air Forces and Unusual Markings/Colors #1221078

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Undeniable Proof?

“Supposedly” indeed. That is 100% mythology, in fact. There was no such VVS unit and no such VVS operations of FW 190s. Moreover, I have never heard of any organised defection of Nazi pilots to the USSR, nor could I imagine why they would attempt it, nor could I believe that they would be accepted by Soviet authorities. Utterly impossible.

You seem absolutely sure- do you have any solid, undeniable proof?

November 15, 2008 at 3:10 pm in reply to: Small Air Forces and Unusual Markings/Colors #1222011

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Bulgarian Fokker D-VII

Here’s another profile passed on to me by Jim Sanders of SAFO, created by a gentleman named P. Mandjukov. It’s a Bulgarian Fokker D-VII, in Entente occupation markings. I didn’t know that Bulgaria even used the D-VII, but it looks like they did.

November 14, 2008 at 6:56 pm in reply to: Small Air Forces and Unusual Markings/Colors #1222779

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Model of the Freies Deutschland FW-190

For those of you who enjoy models (plastic, that is, though I do enjoy the other type, too), I’ve attached some images of a model I made of the Freies Deutschland FW-190, from the Revell 1/72 kit.

November 14, 2008 at 6:49 pm in reply to: Small Air Forces Thread #11 #2489221

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New Thread in Historical Aviation Section

I think you should! I for one, would be a frequent visitor.

I’ve started a new thread for aircraft from WWII and before. It’s called “Small Air Forces and Unusual Markings/Colors.” Hope to see all of you there, as well!

November 14, 2008 at 3:04 pm in reply to: Small Air Forces Thread #11 #2489433

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Admittedly Right

Sorry to say I think you are wrong there…..This is the “Modern military” aviation: “Small Air Forces” thread. If you follow…….MODERN. No Sopwiths or Focke Wulfs belong here.
:diablo:

Alas, I must admit that I agree as well, though I’m the perpetrator! But I wasn’t sure where else to post it, and I knew those who visited this forum would have intelligent and informed perspectives I could get noplace else. Perhaps I should start such a thread for pre-modern military aviation in the historical section?

November 13, 2008 at 8:39 pm in reply to: Small Air Forces Thread #11 #2490145

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Freies Deutschland FW-190 Model and Info

I emphatically agree, Flex. I repeatedly look back through the prior small air forces threads, and I still find great stuff. These threads are an aircraft modeler’s dream come true. My profuse thanks to everybody who has contributed and continues to do so.

It may be slightly off subject, but I couldn’t resist posting this profile I found on the Wings Palette site of a very weirdly marked mongrel FW-190A. It’s apparently from the Freies Deutschland (ex Kommando Seydlitz?) unit. According to a Luftwaffe report this aircraft, flown by a German fighter pilot, was shot down on April 26th, 1945 in the area around Riga, Latvia. The artist is Pierre-Andre Tilley, and the source is Aero Journal No.27 (2002).

I’ve attached photos of my model of the “Freies Deutschland” FW-190. Also, here’s a blurb I found regarding the “Freies Deutschland Bewegung,” or “Free Germany Movement,” at this link:

http://www.answers.com/topic/nationalkomitee-freies-deutschland

Nationalkomitee Freies Deutschland, an anti-National-Socialist body set up in Russia in 1943, composed of German Communist refugees. E. Weinert, W. Ulbricht, J. R. Becher, W. Pieck (1876-1960), and A. Ackermann were prominent members. The Committee had a military counterpart, the Bund Deutscher Offiziere. This, though opposed to National Socialism, was not Communist. Its most prominent members were General W. von Seydlitz (1888-1976) and Field-Marshal F. Paulus (1890-1957). Both organizations were dissolved in 1945.

Further to come as I dig into it. I’ll especially keep you updated on anything I find regarding aircraft usage, markings, and colors.

November 9, 2008 at 6:11 am in reply to: Small Air Forces Thread #11 #2492985

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Take the Su-25

Jessica Biel’s a boring, shallow, untalented, average-looking ditz. Go for the Su-25.

October 27, 2008 at 10:04 pm in reply to: Small Air Forces Thread #11 #2500223

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I’ve Finished the Model

I emphatically agree, Flex. I repeatedly look back through the prior small air forces threads, and I still find great stuff. These threads are an aircraft modeler’s dream come true. My profuse thanks to everybody who has contributed and continues to do so.

It may be slightly off subject, but I couldn’t resist posting this profile I found on the Wings Palette site of a very weirdly marked mongrel FW-190A. It’s apparently from the Freies Deutschland (ex Kommando Seydlitz?) unit. According to a Luftwaffe report this aircraft, flown by a German fighter pilot, was shot down on April 26th, 1945 in the area around Riga, Latvia. The artist is Pierre-Andre Tilley, and the source is Aero Journal No.27 (2002).

I’ve just finished a model of the Freies Deutschland FW-190A in 1/72 scale. It looks great, and was easy to make! I highly encourage anyone who wants a very unusual model in their collection that will get some baffled stares to build this one!

October 26, 2008 at 3:24 am in reply to: Small Air Forces Thread #11 #2452374

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Many Thanks to You!

My sincerest thanks to you for getting these fantastic threads started! I can’t tell you how many great model projects I have waiting because of you!

October 24, 2008 at 11:01 pm in reply to: Small Air Forces Thread #11 #2452880

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It Was Glanini

definitely agree! I ve been visiting the Key forum just because of these threads. IIRC the first one was started in 2003 by Glanini, do you remember? 🙂

That Fw-190 looks fantastic. I think the “british” roundel on the fin is in fact based on the colors of Imperial Germany, so it should be black-white-red.

Yes, Glanini did start the avalanche- thankfully! Oh, well, it was bound to happen sooner or later. So, the roundel outer ring is black, not blue? Interesting.
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