Bob:
I’m pretty sure that the Bouchon/heli shots are ‘up the M11’ end at Duxford. The M11 not being built until much later of course.
Try and see if anyone can place the only landmark that I can find in the pics.
This is a section of pic 4…the chopper and Bouchon are a little further to the left of pic3. In the centre there is a church tower. A classic steeple on top of a tower.

Here’s a different pic of the pair…if you follow the heli down ..there’s the church tower, slightly to the left.

Tough to see I know, but I guess it’s Duxford village church? Which is on the M11 (eastern) side of the ‘aerodrome’!
Mark12: Thanks for IDing the Spits…I knew you would!

Here’s one you spotted as CD-D. It’s my favourite Spit AB910 and a portrait that I’m rather partial too, of Jefferey Quill. I took it at Farnborough in 1964.
But would someone put me right…Jefferey or Geoffrey? I see both printed. What did he use?
David Taylor.
For Keith…who is obviously as attached to Skyways Connies as he is to Dan Air Yorks!


G-ALAL on wet day at Changi in mid-1961. She’d have looked even better on a nice sunny day.
David T.
Tim Mclelland (know here as ‘Choux’) has done a great appraisal of the V-forces cold war capabilities and their attack planning in his latest Vulcan book.
It has a comprehensive chapter on the British A and H bomb development and testing as well. Definetely one to get if you’re interested in the subject.
DT

A great line-up of planes that were assembled one day in Feb 1962. There is a York in there, trying to hide away from the ‘flashy new boys’.

Ahh there she is!
DT

lovely old birds.
DT
Laurence: Nothing on a C-47 43-48886 alas.
If I ‘Goggle it’ I can see ‘traces of your fingerprints’ in various postings…so I guess you’ve been chasing this ‘Gooney Bird’ for sometime. I don’t doubt therefore that you’ve seen: http://www.ec47.com/numbers.htm
which lists your aircraft as an EC-47P.

Here’s another pic of my mysterious South Vietnamese C-47 with no serial no. on it at all. It just wears one of those tails codes that they had. In this case ‘eA’.
The other SVAF a/c is 315874’A’ and the final one is Indian Air Force HJ217. The unmarked plane and the IAF one have the tail wheel spats I notice.
This is Changi 1962.
DT
Consul: You said “The SVAF examples have a-typical tail-wheel struts which look as if they’re shrouded or strengthened. Anyone know why?”
Quite a few of the C-47’s in the Far East in the early 60’s had that tail-wheel fairing. A go faster’ fitting I guess.
Here’s a close-view:

It wasn’t just the Vietnamese C-47’s but also, as here on Cambodian ones:

The Vietnanese aircraft were probably often on delivery. They were regular callers at Changi and things were really beginning to hot-up in Vietnam in 63 and 64. The US started by pepping up the SVAF until they had to bring in their own aircraft.

This one has very faded text but still has it’s full US Air Force ‘dog tag’ under the cockpit window-a ‘C-47D 43-48114’. They all kept their US serials even!
The C-47 proved very adept at ‘low and slow’..it wasn’t just the RAF’s ‘voice aircraft’ that had to do it but of course eventually the Yanks went for ‘AC-47 Gunship’s’ because they could crawl along at low altitude.
DT
In the 60’s Daks were ‘two-a-penny’ and every airport had some around.
I have teems of pics of them in my files from those years. Wonderful aircraft and I wonder if that other great transport design, the Hercules, will finally last as long?

Air Atlantiques G-AMPZ in an earlier guise. Working here for an Indonesian based oil company, but still on the UK register.
It’s taken at Paya Lebar, Singapore in 1963.
The RAF didn’t hang on to theirs as long as some others and that includes the US.

This is KJ955 at Changi in late 1961.

This is KP277 parked at 390 MU, Seletar in early 1963.
These two, KJ955 ‘Hope’ and KP277′ Faith’ were two of the three that made up 110 Sqdn’s ‘voice’ aircraft. They operated out of Kuala Lumpur in Malaya and relayed messages to the Communists on 300Watt airborne PA systems.
KJ955 remained with the RAF at little longer and was finally destroyed by a terrorist bomb at Khormaksar, Aden.
KP277 was sold shortly after the above pic was taken.

4 South Vietnamese C-47’s at Changi…before ‘the war’. They were interesting in having US Air Force style ‘national insignia’- but in the ‘wrong colours’! Someone with no imagination chose the South Vietnamese markings I guess. A ‘Puppet regime’ perhaps also springs to mind.

Here’s a South Vietnamese C-47 that will cause a problem for ‘spotters everywhere’…it has absolutely no serial number on it.
David Taylor.
One for Flyernzl-Peter Lewis:
Here’s NZ5710 photographed by my school friend Jim in 1964. I think Jim’s dad, who worked on 41 Sqn Bristol Freighters, went back to Auckland.

Does it look like Auckland to you I wonder? Hard to tell I guess. No squadron markings on this shot of NZ5710. What’s the markings on your pic?

If I may go ‘off thread’ for a moment. Here’s a Harvard shot at the same time. Freighter in the background, just like in one your Vampire pics.
I felt very ‘attached’ to everything RNZAF in those years I had at Changi.
David Taylor
No film…recorded ‘as live’ on a massive RCA TR70 video recorder. It was the size of say two ‘fridge freezers’ stacked vertically and it recorded on 2″ tape.
Editing was possible, but was rarely attempted. It required cutting and slicing the tape and the ‘control track’ had to be preserved, so the tape was sprinkled with ‘iron-filings’ to display the control tracks wave-form before an incision was made!
Normal technique on shows was ‘Roll back and Mix’. Another 2″ VTR also recorded the moments before the transition and as the playback from it was fed through the ‘live studio’ the first machine recorded the cross fade between ‘tape’ and ‘live’ as it occurred.
Television was not considered to have any ‘after life’, so shows were routinely wiped after transmission.
That’s why all those Dr Who’s etc ‘went’!
All that OB gear and the RCA VTR’s were all ‘valve’ of course.
DT
Tim (Chox),
TT18Timbo suggests ‘single crew conversion’. This copy of a post from PPRune mentions it, alas nothing about a ‘nose job’:
(http://www.pprune.org/archive/index.php/t-269642.html)
Oblique96:
Used to have fun arriving at any RAF airfield on a visit, on board a T4 or B(I), to dismount and watch the eyes of the groundcrew widen when they realised that the cab had been modded for single crew (pilot that is :O) operation. From memory, all that was needed was the re-positioning of a couple of switches to the front end.
Incidentally, they tended to have a better nav. fit than most operational Canberras – VOR and Decca, to name 2, – in addition to the usual.
I see that WK164’s nose section is, or was, supposed to have survived at Foulness. We just need to pop along and look……
Another post from this forum that I tracked down stated:
(http://forum.keypublishing.co.uk/archive/index.php?t-51966.html)
Consul
Sorry, no info on the schemes used…..However, it could be that the light blue – a smart looking scheme I agree – denoted use by the Bomber Maritime Test Squadron at BosDwn. I have a colour pic of WK164 in similar colours when with the BMTS.
So it could be related to it’s ‘maritime’ usuage.
DT
Atcham, Martti thinks your Russian pics are ‘colored black and white photos’.
If so they are very well done. I could believe the Yaks flying shot was but the soldiers in uniforms I not so sure.
You’d need a large format neg to be working on to touch up b-and-w to a high standard I guess. I’ve tried it in Photoshop and even that is very hard work.
Do we know if the Russians had colour film in WW2?
Dave T
Mondariz: Thanks for the link to the Breitling aircraft which I hadn’t viewed before. A very comprehensive set as well.
DT
It’s strange now to think on how slow many photographers were in moving to colour…and I mean long after the war when it was readily available.
There was a continuing acceptance I think that black and white was still the normal way that we viewed illustrations of all sorts. Even as late as the early 60’s when I first got interested in photography, newspapers and TV were still in black and white, although of course movies were all colour.
It was not seen as strange to shoot say your family snaps still in b-and-w. Colour was usually only Kodachrome or Agfa, both transparencies only and pretty slow. I remember in the late 60’s that Kodachrome had become available in ASA25 and ASA64 versions, but the later was noticeably grainy.
Transparency stock is infact capable of a wider ‘dynamic range’ than negative material and transparencies were required for ‘commercial printing’ anyway, so it continued for most professional work.
Even in the late 60’s however many of us were still biased away from using colour because of the cost and the difficulty that transparencies faded easily and needed a projector to display. Eventually Ektachrome and other neg films from other manufacturers changed our perception and finally automated processing moved into the high street.
DT
The Super Connie is indeed a superbly elegant looking aircraft and I totally agree with Dustyone that the combination of slim body, graceful legs and stylish nose must class her as one of the most beautiful ever made.

Here’s a Qantas aircraft showing however that smoking was common back in the early 60’s

A KLM Super Connie enjoys the sun on a visit to RAF Changi, exchanging Indonesian and Dutch prisoners that had been captured prior to the ‘confrontation’.
David Taylor