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  • in reply to: English Electric P1a #783230
    william kelso
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    Hello ,I’m back (perhaps for the last time!)

    As it was written in FLIGHT magazine,if the hinges was on the trailing edge,the airbrake opened like a suicide car door!It seem incredible but I have discovered a picture of the MC DONNELL XF-88 with the first airbrake model tried open!

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    This airbrake have had the same effect described by R Beamont on the P1 and have been also modified latter.

    Only an examination of the WG760 at RAF Cosford could confirm and perhaps showing the hydraulic jack (locked for the further test flights).

    in reply to: English Electric P1a #873815
    william kelso
    Participant

    Thanks for the nice P1A pictures…
    I have open the following books about Lightning….in all there is a the report of the first flight by Roland Beamont about the airbrakes:
    …books of Martin W;Bowman
    ” ” Tim Mc Lelland
    ” ” Peter Caygill……extract: “(P1A WG760) airbrakes:only to be used in emergency due to severe nose-up trim change and heavy buffet” this join the Wokka Bob explanation!
    …I have red the same report in Aeroplane monthly and Flight magazine…too!
    I will try BAE Systems Heritage…

    in reply to: English Electric P1a #874904
    william kelso
    Participant

    Many thanks Wokka Bob….
    Your explanation is very accurate…to take my curiosity ended but not my frustration!
    Yours sincerely.

    in reply to: English Electric P1a #875237
    william kelso
    Participant

    I think you talk about these panel…
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    The space is limited but not less than on the Hawker Hunter speed record like that…
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    And the P1A was not fitted with variable nozzles…
    The mystery is still alive….

    in reply to: English Electric P1a #876053
    william kelso
    Participant

    Yes you are right…
    I rewrite the Flight description “another airframe alteration in the P1B is that the speed brakes have been redesigned and relocated.Originally they were mounted on the rear-fuselage sides just ahead of the jet nozzles…each brake was hinged at its trailing edge”.
    I think this is the part corrugated and heavily riveted visible on your second pictures…
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    So I haven’t found a photo showing them open even on ground or in flight!

    in reply to: English Electric P1a #876646
    william kelso
    Participant

    I have bought two books about EE Lightning and in the twice there is the fly report of R Beamont about the low effects of this airbrakes…in a copy of Flight magazine a description locate them “on the rear fuselage sides just ahead of the jet nozzles”….I haven’t found a pictures of them open…

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