PS. Going forward, following advice from the forums admin team, I plan to post all new videos into one forum post. That way you can choose to view them as you wish. I just thought this would be better suited to a single thread.
Beautiful and graceful lines and it must have made the people of East Midlands very proud that it specially visited them.
Those RR engines look fantastic.
Here’s a URL for another video of the Dreamliner in UK.
An Air India Airbus A321-200, flight IC-602 from Mumbai to New Delhi (India) with 53 passengers, was being pushed back, when the nose gear ran over the legs of a ground worker (45) causing fractures and serious injuries to the man’s legs. The airplane was stopped, the worker taken to a local hospital.
A replacement aircraft departed to New Delhi about one hour later.
Source: T A H
It ceases to amaze me how so many ground crew including the poor injured guy managed to literally have their eyes closed during operational manouvres.
It could only and has happened out there and will not obviously be the first or last with the rapid increase in volume of airline traffic.
Some of the many pictures taken at a mostly sunny Fairford on Saturday.
Great pics, especially the Raptor and B-52. Thanks
A great day at Farnborough 🙂 Anna
Excellent, especially the Raptor.
[QUOTE=boguing;1611940]Here are three that my Daughter took yesterday too. Not bad considering she was in a moving leaf-sprung Land Rover…
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Compliments to your daughter – great pics.
Can’t wait until Sat 24 and Sun 25
Only a few 🙂
Hi Anna,
Great pics, thanks.
Can’t wait for Sat and Sun 24,25.
Hi Ian
Great pics, especially the ones of the Raptor.
These pics are great
Hi Robmac
Thanks for the pics., they are great.
It’s an interesting plot which is why it’s worth tracing it’s origins
Hi njaym
I am not focussing on the A320 per se,I am using it as an illustration about how much info and misinfo is around on the net.
Was the original report the equivalent of an initial or interim report as in uk?
The trace may not have surfaced until the final report was published!!edit …pprune is a good source – with many knowledgeable people,trouble is you have to wade through hundreds of walts and to55ers sometimes as well 🙂
rgds baz
Hi Bazv
The trace/plot is an interesting one which is why I commented on it not being in the original BEA report.
I have given the URL http://www.bea.aero/docspa/1988/f-kc880626/pdf/f-kc880626.pdf for the BEA report and it looks to me the final one albeit in French.
It includes some very poor quality black and white pics initially and then in the closing pages prints these same pics in absolutely clearly colours.
Do have a shifty through the report as although the text is in French the technical stuff (charts and tables) are language independent. French isn’t all that difficult to grapple with anyway.
You may be correct in surmizing that the trace/plot you posted surfaced after the final report but that itself is a bit damming to say the least on the entire investigation.
Justice in a true democracy can be long tedious road
Jay,
We are all looking for Justice
Of the accused 2 are from Continental 2 are from aerospatiale and 1 from the French civil directorate
Where are the executives from AF , where are the engineers , where are those responsible for the overloading of the aircraft ,I don’t see their names in the docket and why are their names missing.
One continental engineer who fitted the strip which Concorde hit has been charged ,but the engineer who failed to fit the wheel spacer isn’t
The head of Engineering at Continental has been charged ,but the head of AF engineering hasn’t WHY?
It was a AF .aircraft ,flown By AF crew ,Serviced AF engineers ,loaded by AF Ground Crew, which crashed
Yet no one from AF has been charged WHY ?Those who died deserve Justice , not a cover up ,those relatives need Justice not a cover-up
Hi Kevin
I agree with most of what you are saying above and have some insight into the frustration all of us are facing that have commented on this thread. We all subscribe to better safety, improved efficiency and a developing airline industry with as much openess as is commercially viable.
And most importantly we all sadly miss Concorde.
I repeat what I say that the imminent French lawyer that Continental Airlines have representing them holds the keys to unlock this entire investigation. If he does not get his clients off the hook I hope he steers this case out of the Palais du Justice to a higher European court.
If the lawyer for Continental doesn’t go to a higher European court then lawyers representing the bereaved Germans and other passengers can if their clients instruct them to do so, take this to a higher European court.
Do you think that lawyers for the passengers, haven’t thought of the very poignant questions you pose, on why certain parties aren’t being held responsible and/or charged?
The judicial process is sadly a very tedious one in any democratic country and once it goes pan European both costs and time extend to almost infinity.
It also delays psychological closure for many bereaved relatives and in their interests possibly some of their own lawyers may be advising them against pursuing this too vehemently. Without being crude about it some of them may have settled on forms of compensation and sought personal closure that way.(This may not be what you or I see as morally correct but humans are fallible)
I summarised this entirely by saying that a ‘true’ absolutely factual time line (to the nearest millisecond) is what is required, from if necessary the time the original Concorde had to be replaced by an older Concorde which needed maintenence before it was declared fit to fly and then up to the millisecond it crashed.
By doing it this way it can answer what came first fire or tyre burst following impact with metal. Into the timeline must go full CVR, FDR analyses, all eye witness accounts (firecrews, Flight crew and passengers of the AF jumbo carrying Jaque Chirac who saw Concorde ablaze and taking off) and especially those of ATC including their full transcripts of verbal interaction with AF4590.
Any professional physicist or applied mathematician can very quickly work out how far if any the thin metal strip would have moved when struck by the tyre albeit the tyre was moving at a very high velocity and acceleration.
That will be an excellent tribute to the very dedicated people at Rolls Royce. Hope it does happen and a great pity I cannot be down in the area on that day to see it.
The first EK 380 landed at DEL today on its second attempt after an aborted landing due to wind sheer.
Emirates has sent the 380 to test the facilities at the new Terminal 3 at Delhi airport. Emirates and Lufthansa both have applied for 380 services to Delhi.
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Did Terminal 3 cope ?
Were there additional spectators to welcome the 380?
The rain lashed runway/taxi apron seems as if monsoon weather is in.
A promising note
(Reuters) – Boeing Co (BA.N) said on Thursday that issues raised in its 787 Dreamliner flight tests could delay first delivery of the long-awaited carbon-composite aircraft into the first part of 2011, but the company also expects an uptick in new plane demand over the next two decades.
That’s a promising note.
The economic prediction is that there will be a great demand for modern, fast, fuel efficient airliners in all parts of the world for over 20 years.
This trace/plot isn’t in the original report
[QUOTE=bazv;1610785]Just out of general interest,sorry for more thread hijack – but what does the panel think of this trace from the Habsheim A320 ?
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Hi Bazv
Maybe worth opening a new thread or re-kindling an existing one on this topic, as it is digressing from Concorde.
The trace/plot you have posted isn’t in the original BEA Report http://www.bea.aero/docspa/1988/f-kc880626/pdf/f-kc880626.pdf
I cannot as yet find the English translation of the BEA report though.
It’s 10 years forward from the actual crash – maybe the verdict may be less biased
Where have i ever indicated that it was so,I have in all comments said it was a cover-up to Save face for AF and the government and still firmly believe so
It’s 10 years since the tragic crash.
Maybe the verdict from the Palace du Justice will be more open to pronounce a verdict after hearing evidence that so far has been ignored or classed as low priority and as I hope the case may be referred to an independent higher court in the EU.
I repeat what I have said that it isn’t much good bashing the French (the present elected French Government, Air France and Airbus) for possible ommissions of the past.
Let’s instead hope for an impartial court hearing and verdict and some comfort and closure for the bereaved.
As your emotions and feelings are so strong please have a heart for the bereaved even 10 years on since the tragedy.
Do you not think as Europeans they don’t want justice – the truth?