Saw her today too wet to get a decent pic

Saw her today too wet to get a decent pic.

G-BOAB has definitely moved from near Hatton Cross Underground Station between Eastchurch Road and Viscount Way as mmitt stated.

G-BOAB is currently (today Thu 07 March 2013) certainly clearly visible from the Southern Perimeter Road or Great South West Road and obviously Myrtle Avenue.

In fact anyone looking out from aircraft taxiing to get on to 27L or taking off or landing on 27L will get a nice look at her.

Even though reportedly temporary it is a better location than her previous one.

G-BOAB has moved again (2nd time in a few months)

G-BOAB vanished from oppos. Hatton Cross Underground Station a few months ago and re-appeared only to vanish again more recently (ie a few days ago).

Anyone have any up to date info as to what the latest is or the whereabouts of G-BOAB?

There will be delays – depends on how quickly suppliers’ issues can be unearthed

There will be delays – depends on how quickly suppliers’ issues can be unearthed (lawyers will make money all round)

Please see my post http://forum.keypublishing.com/showpost.php?p=1978967&postcount=84

I hardly think the airline world will turn away from the 787 so rapidly as it will be in their interests to maybe defer than cancel if the delay impacts immediate deliveries.

They can always preferential lease with Boeing’s co-operation a 777 as an temporary alternative until all the current serious ‘gremlins’ in the 787 are ironed out.

And there may be more ‘gremlins” to come that have not yet manifested. Modern airline safety demands that they be identified and dealt with appropriately.

I still stay with my money on the 787 being a good aircraft for the future of the airline industry along with the 777 and the 737MAX.

The grounding is a sound process in 2013 in comparison to previous eras

The grounding is a sound process in 2013 in comparison to previous eras

Harsh though my words sound it is in Boeing’s commercial favour that these ‘Gremlins’ showed up.

The Yuasa batteries are reported supposedly used in other modern airliners but they may have been off earlier manufacturing lines or simply aren’t in similar temperature and humidity conditions as the 787.

We are deep in one of the longest economic recessions in my lifetime and although big giants like Boeing try their best to manage quality of their supplier’s products it is a simple trade off equation – “Can you spend the resources (men, equipment, time) in checking each product after the supplier delivers?”. NO is the simple answer.
The supply chain for these batteries is probably as long as one desires to imagine and it just takes one supplier in this chain to cut a small corner (save a small amount) and the entire quality issue is wide open.

Let’s wait and the result will I am sure be a better and more robust 787 and all customers will benefit from these early warnings.

It just shows that the world has advanced and takes airline safety very seriously as this did not happen in previous eras which resulted in fatalities.

After all is it just Boeing going through serious suppliers woes? Look at Toyota to name just one?

Maybe it is Yuasa – Yuar.ea:D

With respect what utter tosh.

You cannot name a single A330/340 flight control system engineer let along say for certain that not one was a qualified pilot – FACT

Your comments show close to zero understanding of the flight
Control design process – FACT

Your ill informed fantasy stated as expert comments is really insulting to professional engineers who are also qualified pilots like myself.

The system architecture of an Airbus FBW system is a thing of beauty! So complex, but so reliable. .

Not ill informed just experienced in mission critical systems design and more IMPORTANTLY TESTING which in many cases is still continously ongoing even though the systems are in active service in extremely mission critical environments.

If anyone is portraying an aspect of ignorance it is those who assume the complete infallibility of systems especially mission critical ones.

Marketing and cost, drive systems into sometimes even mission critical environments before being completely tested to ‘destruction’.

Once in place bug fixing or replacing code becomes an even more nerve racking PR exercise as every fix can or usually has a retrograde impact on completely integrated systems.

If your theory is correct then why did the failure of 3 pitot tubes (the reasons for freezing are obvious) not reflect in their systems reporting that they were switching off (with a comfort message that e.g. said – “no airspeed indication currently but assume that unless you have engine failure or have changed the thrust levers manually you will be at the approximate airspeed you were at x seconds or minutes ago”) and then automatically disengage themselves (ie airspeed indicator systems) from making a complete mess of the rest of the complex automated FBW.

Let’s accept that both engines were working perfectly, the aircraft was absolutely intact and two pilot plus a senior albeit asleep were on board.

Well “your perfect FBW” has failings in error handling whether from the raw ‘systems’ bus’, application layer or hardware.

The fault may also lie with the training manuals provided in that they may not extol what must be a priority if a failure occurs of any individual system. Here comes into vogue the ‘perception of’ any translation from original words in the language it was supposedly accurately written in.

Of course I will fly Airbus with airlines like BA and Air France who are also one of my national favourites (when in France). Maybe Air France pilots will emulate what BA pilots do (fly with experience behind them) and train, train, train not just in simulators but take a real ‘bird’ up (even bend it or break it).

To the ‘softies’ in systems design maybe the solution is, white atire including white underwear and put on board real aircraft with ‘rookie pilots’ not the chief test pilot, then fly into monster storms. Let’s then see the gravity of the ‘skid marks’ which may once safely back instill in them testing, testing and further testing until they are cross eyed.

Ralph you dont have to tell me – I have recently been a victim of assault

Jay, I dislike saying this but it is true. The west is far too soft on its criminal element (under which these extremists fall). The criminal now has more rights than the man on the street. I certainly don’t believe in miscarriages of justice, but where it is clear cut, anyone who wilfully infringes on the human rights of any other person immediately gives up his own.

Ralph you dont have to tell me – I have recently been a victim of assault in broad daylight while in a cafe, minding my own business and on my way to work. The difficulties the Police have had in obtaining evidence is primarily because the ‘political correctness’ instituted by loonier than left political nutters leaves the UK in a very helpless situation, and has tied the hands of the law enforcement agencies.

Sadly we ‘Joe Public’ vote these political lefties into power and then wonder why the rights of the law abiding citizen have vanished just because the rights of the criminal take priority.:diablo: