Yep, We can always flog them on Ebay;)
Jim.

Lincoln .7

You have just solved the space junk problem and found a revenue source for the trip/project:)

This is just a quote from the original news article

This is just a quote from the original news article http://uk.news.yahoo.com/biggest-ever-rocket-man-mars-160357782.html when I opened the thread.

“…And like the Saturn rockets, it will be fuelled by safer liquid oxygen and hydrogen. The shuttle used solid boosters, which cannot be turned off once they have been ignited.

“It’s back to the future with a reliable liquid technology,” said Professor Scott Hubbard, a former Nasa official who investigated the 2003 space shuttle Columbia disaster….”

I am sure there’s a lot more technical research and testing to be done before they have some test prototypes.

I hope some EU labs are also involved in R&D:)

More like a Mars bar at £20 a pop

Might get you a bag of crisps.

More like it’ll get you a Mars bar at £20 a pop:D

I don’t know, you can’t even trust Nat Geo now, thats where I got it from.;)
Jim.
Lincoln. 7

Jim
There was me thinking most of us were optimistically planning to stay around for the Mars trip.

Now you are obviously investing in some Cryo treatment to stay around for over 1 (oh no over 100) billion different trips to different stars. Well Jim if you have conquered the secret of eternal life what is 1 or a 100 billion stars?:rolleyes:

Don’t lose any sleep on whose counting those distant stars/planets just get on board the Starship Enterprise Captain Lincoln7 and while en route to Mars let’s stop off and collect those dust covered cameras on the moon.:D

This is not the only case of charities relating to armed forces being …..

This is not the only case of charities relating to armed forces being …..

In my own words – “messed about with”.

Jim

Please be careful:) (before you go to print through your journalist contact – please check, check, check and let Tesco do the explaining to your contact, that particular Tesco may simply have a local policy that should be verified by Tesco centrally/head office) as it appears that journalists (nothing new) are stating all kinds of ‘jibberish’ and it is varying in regional copies of the same newspaper (print/online) – which is IMO a lethal way to deal with the public mind.

Please read http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/8762320/British-Legion-banned-from-selling-poppies-in-city-centre.html (Yes it is the Telegraph and yes I read it along with the FT – I don’t wish a lecture on the morals of whether these papers are right, left, centre or on the moon and I remain critical of them if they get their facts wrong or ‘wishy washy’)
Headlined-
“British Legion banned from selling poppies in city centre”

The article 3:45PM BST 14 Sep 2011 does not imply that money is being taken by any organisation from the charity (collection or otherwise) nor is the Telegraph the only paper to highlight the theme.

http://www.metro.co.uk/news/875495-royal-british-legion-allowed-to-sell-poppies-in-birmingham says Tariq Tahir – 14th September, 2011 “Royal British Legion allowed to sell poppies in Birmingham on 11/11/11” This on the same date is contradictory to the Telegraph.

Then Thu 15 September 2011 page 9 Metro in Edinburgh in print (I retained a copy) by same author Tariq Tahir in bold headlines “Poppy Sellers ‘barred from city on 11/11/11’” and I can scan it in an attach it later today.
(Scanned copy attached below at http://forum.keypublishing.com/showpost.php?p=1801941&postcount=112)

Opening paragraph reads “Poppy sellers were stopped from collecting in the run up to Remembrance Sunday because of council red tape……

…Only a U-turn by the other charities which stood aside for the Royal British Legion, ended the impasse….

…The legion had been ‘disappointed not to be able to collect in parts of the city’ especially as the date 11/11/11 comes around only once every 100 years. Last year it raised £36 million through its poppy appeal.”
The last 3 paragraphs are identical to the Metro URL above.

My point in all this is what are journalist’s expecting to achieve by these sorts of shenanigans and completely irresponsible use of words with regional variations so contradictory. The Metro in print (God forbid my wishing to promote it) is fondly known as “yesterdays news” but surely hasn’t the time come to control how important news such as this is ‘mangled’. Sadly the Metro is often what many in bus travelers read as it’s free – but free does not mean misinform completely.

In the above Metro (printed copy) does the headline and opening paragraph not say exactly the reverse of what paragraph 3 goes on to say?

As far as I am concerned Veeone has brought a very valid point through earlier in this thread that the public are made to feel guilty when faced with so many different charity collections sometimes within a few feet of each other on streets and outside busy pedestrian precincts.

I gladly give to annually the RBL and on Saturday gave as I do annually to the RAFA on my way in to RAF Leuchars

In Waitrose (locally anyway) a system of tokens given when you purchase items that one voluntarily places in one of three transparent large boxes which clearly state what charity with a summary for each above the coin slots. The charities on the boxes are renewed each month and Waitrose give the money (the public only pay for their goods they bought) based on the tokens.

Some supermarkets do ‘good stuff’ with respect to charities:) and journalists must be careful not to ‘muddle’ the minds of the public and possibly tar all supermarkets with the same brush.

Charities that are well established have their place but again there seems now to be one for ‘every thing under the sun’ – too many – too confusing.:confused:

In closing Tesco isn’t one of my favourites anyway.:eek:

May I join you to go get the Hassleblads?

Lincoln .7

SH. Pete, Have any number crunchers thought out how much this will cost the US Taxpayer, and as we all know, the “Quote” is always exceeded, massivley, at the end of the day, very few quotes are spot on and cost no more than the initial quote.Just a thought, why do we need to go into space in the first place?.There are one and a half billion stars in our own galaxy, let alone the millions more.
Jim.

Lincoln .7

Hi Jim
Young man that you are.:)
You, Pete and I along with many of our other good band of merry folk on this forum are going to stay alive to see this – at least I hope so.:)

I recognise and share your concerns about economic woes but those aren’t always any longer easily solved by individual countries after the big bad word ‘globalization’ became a daily uncontrollable misnomer.

I also recognise you aren’t against space research.:)

As for “….there are several Hassleblad cameras left on the Moon..” – well – Shall we go get them?:cool: Don your space suit and get your hot line to Branson going to pay for a real moonship not just Virgin Galactic. Certainly will require some special vacuum cleaners that James Dyson may invent by then to get them working.:rolleyes:

Research in defence and space has spin offs many unseen directly by us in unique medicine, routine medicine and consumer products and enhancements (and before anyone says it – yes they cost more never less when they hit the consumer and that’s the economics conundrum)

Since being a little schoolboy boy listening numerous times avidly to Arthur C Clarke lecture at the CISIR I am convinced that we are not doing anything bad in space (as yet – since the reduction in the ‘star wars’ projects).

It keeps many acute brains (UK and EU) enhancing, many jobs and the lifeblood of positive development going forwards.

My pre graduation dissertation a few weeks ago was titled “The Accounting Standards relating to Research, Development and Intellectual Property” and it used as its industry examples Rolls Royce Trent 900, Trent 1000 and Eurojet EJ200 engine development and sales.

Organisations that reverse a good percentage of profits in investment in themselves for research and development produce huge amounts of Intellectual Property IP – not always immediately useful but are sometime in the future money spinners when other necessary complimentary developments come to fruition. These organisations survive and Rolls Royce is one of them.

As for the problems in both the US and UK of politicians and priorities/strategies – that is why I have already said in my second post above that the US Accounting Standards body requesting a delay of at least another 3 years (until 2017) before they will seriously move to harmonise with the EU accountings standards is a dent in trying to get errant companies including the likes of our own riskay traders (cloaked in cloisters called failed banks now owned by the UK government) to prove that they aren’t ‘mugging Joe Public’ every day.

The biggest step our current Chancellor made to get legislation in place to ring fence the UK banks is also deferred at least until 2019 (also mentioned in my previous post). It should be 2015 as originally mooted IMO anyway.
This is absolutely vital and complimentary to the accounting standards harmonising as then the banking business manages your money and traders manage people who choose to invest their money in stocks, shares, bonds, etc.

The two businesses are managed with ethical Corporate Governance with individual Income Statements, Balance Sheets and Cash Flow Statements and those traders that go ultra extreme risky and fail ‘die’ as a business and do not get an opportunity to hide behind bank cloisters and being bailed out to ensure survival by taxpayers money.

My heart and interest remains with research, development and intellectual property.:D

Just send me a note when Richard gets back to you and says I can be measured for my space suit to join you to go get the Hassleblads.:cool:

Pete your last sentence sums it up

Pete your last sentence is the key and sums it up.

2012 there’s the Olympics for us and Richards bid for ‘Gold’ with Virgin Galactic and the White House race on 06 November 2012

I think you chose the words aptly “Thrashing around” as opposed to FLOUNDERING – same blooming expense though and same result

The American Accounting body has asked for at least an extension until 2017 to harmonise with the EU Accounting body on unifying reporting standards for Public Companies and we have decided against initial thoughts in the UK to foolishly allow ring fencing the banks to be delayed until 2019. IMO it should have been no later than 2015.

Will they (Politicians) ever learn? Again in UK it smells of campaign funds and second term.

Peter you are too kind to these moaning minnies

Hi Peter you are too kind to these moaning minnies.:)

Obviously none (the moaners) of them are so badly off that they have to depend on revenues from advertising to keep their pay check coming in.

As a bean counter I have no sympathy for pure moaners in the current recession and would rather endure a little ‘pain’ to ensure jobs and companies stay afloat but sure the advertising can at times become OTT.

Some forum sites charge a modest annual registration fee and I know of an Aircraft Mech site that does that if you wish to post.

In reality they should try living in the USA (I don’t know what Canada, where you are is like with respect to TV and internet advertising)

Where I draw the line is if the broadband gets ‘sucked’ and that’s why good Techs can help optimise advertising to be much less of an impact on the actual bandwidth.

Having said that if you work for CISCO you’d want your customers to use non optimised internet advertising so their network providers buy more bandwidth from CISCO and charge their retail customers even more for the increase.Da de da de da.

It’s the same lark in mobiles and here BT is about to announce the 4G sell off to network providers.
In reality the network providers haven’t got adequate 2G coverage over the tiny island yet so we (‘Joe’ public) are again going to be ‘mugged’.:rolleyes: