Hi PaulF
Hi PaulF
My head of Regulatory Affairs and Lead Internal Auditers would be fried by the FDA. I was a humble research assistant in those days and was happy to conform to very high standards and receive no ‘yellow perils’.
Production lines in Pharma have evolved to be devoid of human contamination hence accidental contamination can be considered a minimal risk.
I would by that same argument suggest that deliberate contamination (in this case apparently at least two other products) was even less likely. Yet it appears to have happened.
Hypothetical but each tablet/capsule has a low plus/minus tolerance in weight/volume and production line systems can be made (if not in place already) to detect any item that does not conform to tolerance levels and even appearance (identity markers/letters not visualised by micro imaging CCTV). This would normally halt the line automatically requiring a manual override after investigation.
How and at what point did contamination occur?
Are there not likely to be event triggered CCTV footage that would now get reviewed. (e.g. if someone vaults over a ticket turnstile at a rail station good CCTV systems automatically mark the event electronically as abnormal hence assisting review later)
What hasn’t been revealed in this case and may never is whether it was individual blisters that were contaminated in several strips, or an entire strip of blisters, …….
I think a lot should be learnt by Pharma by this scare as the technology is all available and they if any have the money to invest to safeguard their own backs.
Let me give you a parallel example from the microelectronics world. A large very reputable computer server manufacturer used home grown automated quality assurance systems in verifying if each mother board was acceptable. The test programs were home authored and it produced excellent results. Every board was checked at each stage of layering (additional components) and failures went automatically into a potential failed line and went through further checks to see where the failures were introduced. They then were able to identify batches of components or material that caused the failure and deal with supplier issues. Quality was very high on any board that left that manufacturing plant and still is.
Microelectronics by its name suggests items and components many of which are far smaller than most Pharma tablets/capsules and if microelectronics can get it right then Pharma can.
I totally agree it is a mindset, screening and standards of employee quality that also must be upped but the errors at manufacturing in Pharma can be reduced to almost zero.
I also agree with you that ticking boxes isn’t my idea of quality and it’s continuously upping the standards and reducing risk levels that gets things to 100% or near 100%.
It’s the continuously impersonal world we are made to live in
High Street Branch of your bank if it still exists is part of an International Conglomerate.
The ever smiling Captain Mannering (Bank Manager) is no more.
Formerly the Bank Manager knew every regular customer especially their credit risk.
Banks did not do mortgages
They did not sell insurance, etc
Nor did they embrace stock market investments
High Street Branch of your Building Society if it still exists is also part of an International Conglomerate
Building Societies provided mortgages to home buyers. One home not many homes and no buy to rent mumbo jumbo.
Building Societies did not do current accounts and did not do things only banks did.
Now when you telephone any financial agency (bank, building society, insurance company) or utility company you aren’t speaking to anyone in a local branch who knows you. They put you through the hoops in taxing questions which are in fact a complete load of cobblers as if anyone has stolen your identity they would have obtained most of that information as well.
Thank goodness many companies are moving their offshore customer services operations back to Blighty. They have had enough of geographically and culturally inept Asian call centres whose charges are escalating making them much less competitive than some years ago.
Everything local is being closed Post Offices, Banks, Building Societies, Insurance Companies, utility company branches.
It’s not just computers that have caused this mayhem it’s the inept implementation of such systems by often greedy non customer service orientated individuals who rake in hefty bonuses.
If you have local branches of banks, building societies and post offices please frequent them and make them feel they are needed as then their senior regional or head office managers may see fit to leave them in situ.
It’s the continuously impersonal world we are made to live in
High Street Branch of your bank if it still exists is part of an International Conglomerate.
The ever smiling Captain Mannering (Bank Manager) is no more.
Formerly the Bank Manager knew every regular customer especially their credit risk.
Banks did not do mortgages
They did not sell insurance, etc
Nor did they embrace stock market investments
High Street Branch of your Building Society if it still exists is also part of an International Conglomerate
Building Societies provided mortgages to home buyers. One home not many homes and no buy to rent mumbo jumbo.
Building Societies did not do current accounts and did not do things only banks did.
Now when you telephone any financial agency (bank, building society, insurance company) or utility company you aren’t speaking to anyone in a local branch who knows you. They put you through the hoops in taxing questions which are in fact a complete load of cobblers as if anyone has stolen your identity they would have obtained most of that information as well.
Thank goodness many companies are moving their offshore customer services operations back to Blighty. They have had enough of geographically and culturally inept Asian call centres whose charges are escalating making them much less competitive than some years ago.
Everything local is being closed Post Offices, Banks, Building Societies, Insurance Companies, utility company branches.
It’s not just computers that have caused this mayhem it’s the inept implementation of such systems by often greedy non customer service orientated individuals who rake in hefty bonuses.
If you have local branches of banks, building societies and post offices please frequent them and make them feel they are needed as then their senior regional or head office managers may see fit to leave them in situ.
You ain’t stupid – it’s just boring me keeps a close eye on the numbers
Ah – makes sense.
Stupid me! I was thinking they were specifically talking about the 737-ME2 backlog.
You ain’t stupid – it’s just boring me keeps a close eye on the numbers. In my old age being a bean counter is my choice.:)
I mainly look at firm orders as all the rest are pipe dreams based on poor projections by opportunists and can go whizz bang at any time.:rolleyes:
Like you I treat the marketing blurb with respect but take it with a large pinch of salt until I see the words firm order appear from the manufacturer.;)
Jim has said 85% of the BACKLOG is outside the USA
I found this story most interesting… either its very badly reported or Boeing cannot count.
Now… I’m sure you can do the sums as well as me. 100/496 is greater than 15%.
D’oh.
Jim has said 85% of the BACKLOG is outside the USA. (at the last count over 3,000 total aircraft as backlog orders)
Before which “The airframer said this morning that it has order commitments for 496 aircraft from five airlines for the re-engined narrowbody, ..”
They are two different sets of numbers.
The new US airline orders for the New Engined 737 aren’t 15% of the backlog
Hi Deano – feel free to merge the two threads
Hi Deano – feel free to merge the two threads.
The content is going to be the same/similar and it’s so near delivery 26 Sept.
Thanks:)
Some interesting facts re the 787
Some interesting facts re the 787
http://www.boeing.com/commercial/787family/programfacts.html
The 787 Program covers many areas of interest, from the market, customers, and airplane technology to manufacturing enhancements and an extensive partner team, among others. Here are some interesting facts and figures on a number of these topic areas:
Market Size
3,310 units over 20 years (2009-2028)
Expectation of sales out of 3,500 units
More than half
Major program milestones
• Firm configuration completed – September 2005
• Major assembly began – June 2006
• 787 first flight – December 2009
Seat range of airplane
200 – 300
Seats by model
• 787-8, 210 to 250
• 787-9, 250 to 290
Speed at which it will fly
Mach 0.85 (about the same as a 777 and 747)
787 vs. 777 on composites and aluminum (by weight)
787
– 50 percent composites
– 20 percent aluminum
777
– 12 percent composites
– 50 percent aluminum
Material breakout on 787
• Composites – 50%
• Aluminum – 20%
• Titanium – 15%
• Steel – 10%
• Other – 5%
Example of part count reductions (on first barrel)
• 1,500 aluminum sheets
• 40,000 – 50,000 fasteners (80 percent reduction in fasteners)
Holes drilled into fuselage during assembly
787 – fewer than 10,000
747 – 1 million holes
More fuel efficient
20 percent more fuel efficient than similarly sized airplanes
Produces fewer emissions
20 percent fewer than similarly sized airplanes
Better cash seat miles costs than peer airplane
10 percent
Generators
• Four at 250 kVA (two per engine)
• Two at 225 kVA (on auxiliary power unit)
Hydraulic power
Distributed at:
5,000 pounds per square inch on the 787
3,000 pounds per square inch standard
Advantage of new electric architecture
Extracts as much as 35 percent less power from the engines than traditional pneumatic systems on today’s airplanes
Amount of copper wiring eliminated
60 miles
Design time on computers
800,000h of computing time on Cray supercomputers
Hours of wind tunnel tests
15,000 hours of wind tunnel tests
Size of 787 factory
Approximately 380,000 square feet (380 feet across, 1,000 feet long)
Days the 787 will be in final assembly
The goal is three days
Anticipated maintenenace savings
30 percent
US and non US content on 787
Roughly 70 percent US Roughly 30 percent non-US
Number of Dreamliners Boeing has purchased
4
The number of new city pairs the 787 will connect
At least 450
Nice shots Anna – thank you
Nice shots Anna – thank you.:)
Free parking space – I doubt it
There will be a lot of free parking space at Everett over the coming months…
Free parking space – I doubt it.
For new 787s rolling off the production line the space is already premium and will get worse.
As for employees I doubt if there is going to be any free car parking space either at Everett since the plants in Charleston have been opened to cope with extra production capacity.
The backlog in confirmed orders for Boeing is over 3,000 at present (no different for Airbus mind you)
A world survey was conducted by the United Nations – huge failure
A world survey was conducted by the United Nations. The only question asked was: “Would you please give your honest opinion about solutions to the food shortage in the rest of the world.” The survey was a huge failure…
In Africa they didn’t know what “food” meant.
In Eastern Europe they didn’t know what “honest” meant.
In Western Europe they didn’t know what “shortage” meant.
In China they didn’t know what “opinion” meant.
In the Middle East they didn’t know what “solution” meant.
In South America they didn’t know what “please” meant, and
In the USA they didn’t know what “the rest of the world” meant.:D
A world survey was conducted by the United Nations – huge failure
A world survey was conducted by the United Nations. The only question asked was: “Would you please give your honest opinion about solutions to the food shortage in the rest of the world.” The survey was a huge failure…
In Africa they didn’t know what “food” meant.
In Eastern Europe they didn’t know what “honest” meant.
In Western Europe they didn’t know what “shortage” meant.
In China they didn’t know what “opinion” meant.
In the Middle East they didn’t know what “solution” meant.
In South America they didn’t know what “please” meant, and
In the USA they didn’t know what “the rest of the world” meant.:D
Thanks for posting this link
FYI, I posted this on the other thread, but its kind of buried….not sure if everyone is seeing it.
http://boeingblogs.com/randy/archives/2011/08/the_dream_is_certified.html
Thanks for posting this link:)
I guess you could call it that if you wish
I guess you could call it that if you wish – original;)
I guess you could call it that if you wish
I guess you could call it that if you wish – original;)
On their premise/argument we could simply lie on a 3D printer and be cloned
Aren’t some quantum physics gurus now telling us that we’re just a 3D projection from the outer limits of the universe anyway?:eek:
On their premise/argument we could simply lie on a 3D printer and be cloned.:eek:
(It’s bad enough when I look in a mirror, never mind shaking hands with myself)
Star Wars “The Clones Wars for real.:D