contrailjjWhat doesn’t help is that two types of film appear to be used. The second one is ortho (very faded blue reproduction) and going on the similarity in hue with the red of the roundel and tail stripe I’d go with red/white checkers. The first appear to be pan and the only red in the pic that can be seen is the underwing and to my eye it appears to be the same intensity as the dark checks on the fuselage, so again I’d go with red/white.
I concur fully (film comments as well) – definitely red and white. As for the mouth – based on the upper image, I’m going with black inside the mouth while the outer cowling areas appear to have ‘streaky’ application of green/brown.
JJ
contrailjjsomething like this??
This data was compiled in/around 1978 and published in 1979’s “Air Forces of The World” (Hewish/Sweetman/Wheeler/Gunston)
Libya
Mirage F.1ED Int 16 (1978)
Mirage F.1AD Att 16 (1978)
MiG-23 Int/Att 50 (incl 2-seaters)
Mirage 5DE Int 32
Mirage 5D Att 58
Mirage 5DR Rec 10
Tu-16 Bomb 10
Tu-22 Bomb 12
C-130H Trans 8
C-47 Trans 9
CH-47 Trans 20
Mi-8 Trans 12
Boeing 707 VIP 1
JetStar VIP 1
AS-61A-4 VIP 1
Mirage F.1BD Train 6 (1978)
MiG-23U Train 5
Mirage 5DD Train 10
Falcon 20ST Train 2
CM.170-2 Train 12
T-33A Train 3
G2-A-E Galeb Train 50 (replacing Magisters)
SF.260 Train 230 (Approx 110 from SIAI – others licence built)
SA.321M ASW/SAR 9
SA.316B Coms/Util 10
Alouette II Coms/Util 3
Bell 47G Coms/Util 3
Agusta-Bell 212 Coms/Util 2
SA-2
SA-3
SA-6
Crotale
Egypt
Air Defence
Mig-21MF Int 108 (9sqns)
SA-2 80 launchers
SA-3 65 launchers
SA-6 60 launchers
AirForce/Army/Navy
Tu-16 Bomb 25
Il-28 Bomb 20 (may not be operational)
MiG-23 Flogger B Int 24
Mirage IIIE Int 52
MiG-19 Int 60? (second-line only)
MiG-21PFM FGA 150
MiG-21F FGA 100
MiG-17 FGA 125
MiG-23 Flogger F Att 18 (MiG-27)
Su-7 Att 120 (perhaps only 80 operational)
Su-20 Att 48 *(2 claimed lost in 1977 Lybia conflict)
L-29 Train/Att 100+
EC-130H ECM 2
Sea King Mk.47 ASW 6 (navy)
SA.342 Gazelle Anti-tank/obs/util 54 (most army, some with HOT, 1 Sqn navy)
Mi-8 Aslt/logs 70 (army)
Commando Mk.1 Aslt/logs 5 (army)
Commando Mk.2 Aslt/logs 23 (army)
C-130H Trans 3
An-12 Trans 16
Il-14 Trans 40
Mi-4 Trans 20 (army?)
Mi-6 Trans 12 (storage?)
Fournier RF-4 ELINT/obs 4
Boeing 707 VIP 1
Boeing 737 VIP 1
Falcon 20 VIP 1
Commando Mk.2B VIP 1
Gomhouria Train 200
Al Kahira Train
Yak-11 Train
MiG-23U Train 6
MiG-21U Train
MiG-15UTI Train 50 (?)
Su-7U Train
SA-7 (army)
SA-9 (army)
contrailjjand the Collings Foundation’s TA-4…
contrailjjRCAF
indeed!!! and many happy returns!!
AAAAND… a very Happy Birthday to the Royal Canadian Air Force (April 1, 1924)
JJ
contrailjjThanks for the input Mark… I’ve been beside myself for the last few days perusing these issues… and quite honestly, I’m amazed at the print quality and the manner in which these have stood the test of time… complete with loose-leaf inserts (see attached – this from Part 11). For a ‘bunch’ of loose ‘mags’ almost 40 years old, the colour has not faded and the quality of the photography is simply amazing. I don’t know when the ‘coin’ changed in the UK, but Parts 1-9 were priced at 4’6, and thereafter (10 to 16 as I hold) were 22 1/2 P (4’6)
By the time Part 13 comes around, there is a greater credits ‘boilerplate’ inside the front page which states… (a few names I am familiar with)
EDITORS: John R W Taylor, FRHistS, AFRAeS, FSLAET Editor and Compiler, Jane’s All the World’s Aircraft Kenneth Munson Assistant Compiler, Jane’s All the World’s Aircraft PHOTOGRAPHIC EDITOR: Ann C Tilbury Photographic Librarian, Flight International EDITORIAL ASSISTANT: Michael J H Taylor ART DIRECTOR: Allen J Weston DESIGNERS: Michael D Stride Jonathan A Bingham David J Kingston Designed and produced for New English Library by the Ian Allan Group
James
contrailjjThe T-6s with the blue-orange-black roundels are from the Gabon Presidential Guard. There is even a Heller 1/72 kit of an overall dark blue T-6 with these markings. Strangest kit markings I have ever seen.
Pardon my ignorance (I ran through that link and found none of the Blue/orange/black roundels), but please please post a link to the Presidential Guard T-6 photos. I’ve built the Heller kit – and have a copy of the instructions – just have yet to see a photo of those markings
contrailjjThe T-6s with the blue-orange-black roundels are from the Gabon Presidential Guard. There is even a Heller 1/72 kit of an overall dark blue T-6 with these markings. Strangest kit markings I have ever seen.
Pardon my ignorance (I ran through that link and found none of the Blue/orange/black roundels), but please please post a link to the Presidential Guard T-6 photos. I’ve built the Heller kit – and have a copy of the instructions – just have yet to see a photo of those markings
contrailjjand a full sheet of the commemorative stamps released on the 23rd (I ‘cleaned out’ the local postal outlet of their stock :p)
contrailjjthis was the test flight on Feb 22 at Baddeck… unfortunately they were not able to fly her on the 23rd due to weather, etc…
the replica Silver Dart is being donated to the Bell Museum at Baddeck (which is getting funding for an addition) – a worthy home for a project of such significance.
contrailjjTamil Eelam wreckage from today’s news…
“Sri Lankan air force officers lift the wreckage of an aircraft used by the Tamil Tiger rebels to launch an attack at Colombo, after it was gunned down close to Katunayake International airport, Sri Lanka, on Saturday, Feb. 21, 2009. (AP / Eranga Jayawardena)”
contrailjjTamil Eelam wreckage from today’s news…
“Sri Lankan air force officers lift the wreckage of an aircraft used by the Tamil Tiger rebels to launch an attack at Colombo, after it was gunned down close to Katunayake International airport, Sri Lanka, on Saturday, Feb. 21, 2009. (AP / Eranga Jayawardena)”
contrailjjHere are a picture and a profile…. whereas the picture appears to show only dark green on top. It appears that the light-gray undersides are accurate, but the aircraft may be overall green. Drop tanks look to be a light color, maybe the underside color, or perhaps natural metal.
Not sure how old the pic is, but that MiG-15UTI is grey… something in the warm mid-tones – perhaps close to FS 36231 (and judging by the ‘highlight’ on the cannon fairing, that colour is a complete all-over grey. the tanks are aluminum and the wing/stab/fin tips and intake lip are day-glow orange-ish (some would call it day-glo red) somewhere around FS 38903.
contrailjjI’m a wee bit out of date on the handbooks, but I’ll stick with the Jane’s recognition guides – (I haven’t seen any more recent editions than the ’96 edition) and I didn’t like how they rearranged the categories in that one… but, apparently the An-2 and Cessna Caravan fell into the same ‘twin engined’ category along side the Beriev Be-32 and Canadair CL-415…:confused: go figure. (1992s ‘5th edition’ had far better execution)
and speaking of the Salamanders… Barry Wheeler’s ‘Aircraft Markings’ is still only inches away on my desk with the dictionaries and thesaurus. (although I have compiled my own little updated reference file/database on the ‘puter.)
contrailjjcontrailjj-
As an informed taxpayer would you entertain the idea of modernized Tornadoes? Or would you entertain the option of buying Eurocanards over the F-35?
quite honestly, I personally would prefer a modernized Tornado… Canada does not require a ‘stealthy’ whatever – and can ill afford to be buying any of such technology in any quantity that might make the price-tag ‘reasonable’. Add that to the fact that a single engined fighter of any type over this country makes no sense at all.
If the F-35 purchase is to go ahead, I’d rather see it cut to perhaps 45 units with an immediate investment in perhaps 35 to 40 Super Bugs for the near-term to augment the A/Bs we are currently upgrading.
contrailjjwoah there… slow down a wee bit. (and since it is MY country, I’m going off a bit here…)
Super Bug – yes! as an informed CANADIAN taxpayer I’m more in favour of it instead of F-35.
Anyone shouting F-22 for Canada should get their facts straight first! One… (as in the number 1, quantity 1) one single F-22 would empty the Canadian defence (yes we spell it with a ‘c’) budget. (period).
As for all these ‘threats’ being tossed about… where is this ‘information’ coming from??? has anyone even asked any one of us who lives here? 😡
Disputed borders with the US??? sorry, but the NW passage IS Canadian waters – we may disagree over this but we are both allied in our mutual Arctic sovereignty (NORAD)
Conflict with Russia???
oh, and I’m sure we’re gonna go ‘toe-to-toe’ with the Danes real soon!!
and while we’re at it we’re also going to smack France around over 2 rocks in the Gulf of St. Lawrence
Hell, has anyone thought about the priority of putting into service a future multi-role aircraft that can provide Close-air support for our ground troops?? Or maybe we should buy a Chinese or Russian ‘paper’ interceptor…
:rolleyes:
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