Has there ever been an aircraft that was named one thing in one country and another in another country? (I’m pretty sure the Japanese don’t call their F-2s Fighting Falcons but that’s kind of a different situation). It really is too bad the way it worked out for you guys because Lighting II would be great for the Typhoon and vice versa.
US TBF-1B Avenger = UK Tarpon
US Wildcat = UK Martlet, Martlet II
UK Merlin = Canada Cormorant
Lighning works well enough for me.
I do believe that the only serious prospects are Japan, Australia, and perhaps Canada. The UK is too invested in the EF-2000, but you never know. Never say never I guess, FOAS or whatever could evolve into “ah hell, just buy Raptors”. Israel? No chance in hell. All the artists drawing J-XXs looking like F-22A knockoffs are surely thinking about Israeli Raptors…
Well from my point of view ‘north of the border’ the Rapter will never see Canadian service… there simply to large a price-tag and we’ve got a comparatively small budget to work wonders with. I think we’ll see the Canadian Forces stick with the F-35 – but how many, is another question… it all depends on our as-yet-to-be-defined defence policy. We’ll see the Hornet continuing in her multiple roles for at least another 10 years.
As interesting as it seems, I honestly don’t believe anyone can/will ever afford them. And, as mentioned elsewhere in the threads, I don’t think anyone who could buy them will get the same product the USAF has. Israel may get some – but thats another kettle of fish… Military aid etc… but I still don’t believe that Israel could afford the full price-tag, and as amicable as Congress may be, I think they’ll probably not want to choke down half the cost on behalf of a friend/ally.
JJ
Willi Messerschmitt designed the Helwan HA300 jet fighter for Egypt. There is an indian connection in that the test pilot was Gp Capt Kapil Bhargava of the Indian Air Force on loan to Egypt and he carried out the first flight. Parallely a HF-24 Marut was loaned to Egypt to be a test bed for the engine developed for Egypt.
Gp Capt Bhargava had written about the Willi Messerschmitt connection in an article for Air enthusiast a long time ago. I wonder if anyone remembers it?
The design attribution is something I’ve wondered about… I’ve seen multiple sources that give credit to either Messerschmitt or Tank… it certainly would be nice to straighten that issue out. My personal belief is it was Tank who designed the HA300… it seems to bear more similarities to his ‘style’.
JJ
WOW!! did the three B’s land? I don’t know when to start/stop drooling… the BEAR is oh so sweet and the BLACKJACK…. WOW WOW … MORE MORE MORE
When I was in USAF Air Defense Command, circa 1961, a contest was held among the troops to name the new interceptor prototype from NAA. the F-108. The name “Rapier” got some lucky airman a hundred dollar bill. Too bad ADC didn’t get the Rapier. I believe the NAA “Valkyrie” was named in a similar fashion by SAC personnel.
Bottom line, the user should get to pick the name.
Exactly! well spoken… but please…just as long as no one nominates another dinosaur, sports franchise or ‘pokemon’ character name – just imagine, ‘introducing the F-35 “Tyrano-J’lo-neo-Veloco-Tiger-BlipBlipbooweeeeeticticbababadoowhipdoowhip”… let her be properly christened with character befitting her role(s).
Or some PR know-it-all will deem ‘Screech’ to be a suitable ‘nom de guerre’.
JJ
PS… in hidesight… ‘Rapier’ does sound rather appropriate as well
Yes indeed… but not Messerschmitt
Dr. Kurt Tank (formerly of FW in Germany) is indeed design the HF-24 Marut. This was India’s first ‘indigeous’ aircraft – first prototype flown in 1961. 112 Mk.1 were built from 1967. Powerplant: Licence-built Orpheus 703, armament: 4 – Aden Mk.2 plus rtractible Matra 103 (50 rocket) pack.
Tank also designed (argurmentative – Willy Messerschmitt design) the Helwan HA300 for Egypt in the early-mid 60s
Last IAF Marut retired in 1980 by No. 10 Sqn… repaced by MiG 23BN
http://www.bharat-rakshak.com/IAF/History/Aircraft/Marut1.html
attached, a couple IAF Marut shots and lastly one HA300
JJ
all I can now add is, LOVERLY!!! I had a neighbour who ‘rolled’ his car years ago (and well, one can imagine the result) Carry on with the good work – regardless of any and all said, she looks marvelous – (and the colour seems right too) don’t stop… and please let me know if/when I can help
JJ
i like the sound of ‘Lightning’… ‘Tiger’ would work very well too – shades of the old USN Grumman cat and the widely exported F-5
robmac…. simply beautiful work… you’re doing what I’d always I could have/should have done as a career… maybe someday I can start freelancing at that too… keep up the good work.
now to forray into a few previous comments … seavixen, please, as passionate as we all may be regarding these priceless pieces of our collective heritage, it is our duty no matter whether we are general enthusiasts, artists, scale modellers, photographers, maintainers or owners to ensure that not only are these airframes physically maintained by also properly displayed (in the visual sense). While we may not have much pull with the private owners of the world, we can aid and assist any and all aircraft owners to ensure that the proper scheme is caried on any particular aircraft in an effort to be more representative of the type’s operational history and the role which it played in our history.
I will definitely side with Albert Ross here on the question of accurate markings. National flags and air force markings generally fall under the realm of ‘Crown Copyright’ and are, under such copyright, free for use and display unless they are intended for otherwise defamatory purposes. Now while there may have been an uproad regarding the depiction of a certain major religious figure, the Saudi Arabian flag is just that… a flag – no matter whether the flag carries a ‘religious’ motto – and no one should even come close to having ‘qualms’ over reproducing/displaying it. That said, no matter what one may feel regarding any particular marking (political, religious, etc.,) if it was worn as a part of an historic scheme, it should be displayed that way today – bar none! (and yes that includes hakencruz)-pardon the spelling.
All siad, a hearty thank you to anyone and everyone who helps not only bring these beauties to up, but also those who make them look good (and correct).
James
ahhh, the fixed link… strangely, in the ‘Centre of the Universe’ (Toronto) the ‘forward-thinking’ members of City Hall and those with ‘pull’ in the community have aparently canned the plan for the short little (no more than 50 metres I believe) fixed link – in the view that it would lead to increased use of the island airport and thus traffic congestion and the like, causing a decline in the values of their ‘waterfront’ condos. I wouldn’t be surprised if Island is eventually shut down and ‘condo-ized’ – puting an end to aviation on a very historic piece of property (Canadian war-time home of the Royal Norwegian Air Force)
oops… my bad… wrist-slapping duely undertaken
Finally nice to see the ‘Star get some proper TLC… Would it be wishful thinking to hope to see those Griffons tuned up and turned over??
Now if only someone can find them a pair of Hercules engines and the Beau could receive the same love and attention. (Isn’t TFCs Beau for sale – with 4 engines included?)
JJ
Dave, very nice piece… one of the most memorable show openers I’ve seen in some time, thanks for re-stoking those memories!
Peter,
This was ‘Kato’s’ spread I created for the airshow souvenir program. He was tragically killed during the Friday practice for the show.
James
oh, we’re still at it… this goes ’til the bars close… rain or shine
shootouts… shake your head…. my sympathies
and I forgot… even in Kandahar
http://cnews.canoe.ca/CNEWS/Canada/2006/05/15/1580845-cp.html
hats off as we raise a pint to all vets and serving members everywhere!
O, Canada
‘Loyal She Remains’
Go Sens Go