Gideon probably booked standard fare because it would look good on the expenses form and then just took an automatic upgrade as his “right”, must have been galling when some anonymous serf had the temerity to question this right.

Not a Mail reader, but those images should send a shudder through every sane thinking person, in this case it was the Jewish people who suffered but every tyrant, extremist or fanatic has his/her enemy, “next” time the victims could be someone else, whether through race, religion or culture.

Is all form in engineering for utility only, or does the artist contained in the designer show through??

Design needs to be practical, but appearance has a big part to play, for instance when the Jag E Type was launched it’s performance was something else, but the looks of the thing would probably have sold a fair number even if the car hadn’t been one of the best around.

Well I think modern art is like all art–and indeed most things.
There’s the good, the bad and the indifferent.

Personally speaking art has brought me some great joy in life and if I was in Paris (a favourite city) I’d be hard pushed to decide between a trip to the Musée de ll’Air et de l’Espace and the Musée national Picasso.
I enjoy both equally.
Just a personal thing.
A.

Many of us will have differing ideas as to what represents good or bad art/design, I am not knocking art as such, but how much of the whole business is more inclined to the profitability than the subject. There has been a programme running looking at paintings mainly, trying to assess if these are originals or in the “style” of some “master”, these are not copies but originals in their own right.

For me the art should have a value in it’s own right irrespective of whether the painting or whatever was produced by pupil or teacher.

Who decides the over blown value of Damien Hirst’s work, most of it looks like leftovers from the Biology lab at my old school?.

Even more to the point who actually pays for it?.

Oh, I do like that little expression.
I might nick that and use it myself–it can replace the ‘it went down like a lead submarine’ which I’ve been using for a number of years now.

Feel free, sadly I don’t own copyright. 😀

This thread was quite happily indulging in Saville bashing and rightly so, Moggy introduced a pic and post which was probably intended to be humorous and a bit of point scoring.

In certain quarters this went down like a brick budgie, to be fair I was not impressed with the post in a thread about child sexual molestation, but no-one died, I very much doubt if any one was harmed in any way, say you don’t like the post, end of.

We all know that Saville can’t be touched, but surely an investigation is worthwhile, for the sake of those people still hurt by his activities, to unearth if there was a blind eye culture, to track down others who were involved and to make damn sure it doesn’t occur again.

That’s a few years down the line, for me I found I found that those models would fly if you kept to no more than the water spray and clear dope to tighten the covering, but if you went the full hog with painting it soon became too heavy and hard “landings” became the norm.