Mike,
There is still Stirling EF311 in the Channel. Although in salt water, the structure of the wings is largly intact and could perhaps be useful in recreating engineerings drawings. But who is going to recover it?
Cees
Hi Cees
Is this the Stirling near the Isle of Wight? I was told that this was a complete wreck and not even worth recovering.
Did these guys have any Whitley parts by the way?
Any news on the section of the section of cowling from a Whitley from N1521? I would be most interested in hearing more about it. I’m sorry to say that the american guy who got those window catches is not responding which is very frustrating. I will keep working on him.
Another recovery in the pipeline soon, and awaiting delivery of a new toy to assist in locating our Whitley in the channel.
Elliott
Hi Firebird,
Well, I’m a cynic – but I’d love you to prove me wrong!It is ALWAYS worth following these things up; I’m not saying what goes for Cowley goes for Crewe, but just adding another 2d for broadening the database.
Cheers
Nice story, but I think there is very little chance. R-R Heritage are red hot and I doubt there would be stacks of unfinished Merlins lying about in there somehow. If only….
We have a pair of Sturgeon wheels at the museum, if anyone’s interested in a swop for something more relevant to our museum.
Hi VP
Have you contacted the fleet air arm museum about these wheels? They are usually pretty good.
Guys
The pics were taken off because of the big debate as to weather they should have been up in the first place..obviously the Russians have a slightly different view about the whole thing that we westerners do, and some of them read the mirror board that is english.
I have requested pics from the source and will let you know if I get them..minus the ‘remains’ pics ;-0Dave
I saw the pics – the preservation was truely remarkable. I don’t think it was at all appropriate to post the pics of the pilots remains – but these went up on the sturmovik site so i’m afraid it’s not surprising. I’ve heard horror stories about the remains of german pilots being desicrated in Russia – a friend of mine brought up a bf109 from a lake with the pilot still in it. The russian recovery crew promptly tossed him back in the lake – there is still a lot of serious animosity towards the germans in the east.
Then this must be the one in question, taken in 1966. Hope it still survives. Even a restored fuselage at least gives a representation of an extinct type.
Cees
Anyone know which yard in Scotland it was in? I spoke to one of the old scrappies up there a week or so ago. He told me that even three years ago there were WWII remains in their yard in Forres. Interesting to me as they had the contract to scrap the 19 OTU Whitleys. Alas, there is now a supermarket on the site.
Thanks Whitley P – Its definitely got the Hurri type gun button, and I’m quite certain its not a repro –
If i can sort the technology then will post a picture or two…
If RAF should it have an AH prefix then?
Hey TT
Sounds interesting – bit of a long-shot, but it’s worth remembering that some Japanese aircraft had spade grips too! Sure it’s a RAF one??
Some Candian dunlop grips had odd prefixes – usually a ‘c’ somewhere on the grip, but as far as I know they always used the AH-prefix.
I think some pics would be great if you get the chance.
Elliott
AH = Dunlop as far as I know
Pleas correct me if I’m wrong
Cheers
Cees
Cees is correct – AH is the dunlop prefix.
It’s a pneumatic firing button too.
Certainly RAF Buffalos had electrically operated browings (the solonoids were notoriously unreliable), but cannot say for sure regarding mustangs.
David – can you PM of the outcome – I can use the grip if you don’t want it.
Elliott
It’s on now everyone!!
Please vote 🙂
Firefly, Firebrand or Sea Hornet, according to my notes!
Regards,
Al
Thanks Al
Fancy swapping it for your hurri grip hehe
I’ll let Hornet Dave know……
All the best & thanks for your assistance
Elliott
Ok for you people who are more historically minded – i am trying to find out if any Polish servicemen were trained during WW2 at Abingdon , through no. 10 OTU (Operational Training Unit)…… be very interested to hear from anyone with any knowledge on that one.(PM me)
Secondly, am i right in thinking that Spitfire BM597 (?) is painted up in Polish Markings?? – & anyone know of any other historics painted up in Polish markings? Interested to find out – anyone??
Lastly, the website for my Abingdon Fayre ‘Air & Country Show’ will soon be:
http://www.abingdonfayre.comThe other website address still exists but not for much longer.
Hi Neil
I have never come across any poles in 10 OTU (whitleys!). I’ll have a look and see, but certainly don’t know of any off hand.
Cheers
Elliott
Hi Ian
3 July – so it has already been broadcast? How did it go?
Elliott
Time Team are excavating the crash site of two B-26s at Warton. Details are available on the forum on the Time Team website under “Warton aerodrome dig”. I’d put a link up but for some reason it won’t stick. Looks like they may have found at least enough parts to reconstruct at least one example.
“I have a cunning plane my Lord…”
Classy line 😉
Here is a bit more info:
http://www.lep.co.uk/ViewArticle2.aspx?SectionID=73&ArticleID=829571
Looks like the boys from Millom are behind it.
Yes, Every thing I have read about the MB 5 it flew very well 🙂 , Pitty it was destroyed on a English Gunnery range 🙁 , As I understood it there was already to much put in to the Spit and other aircraft at the time, And the war budget simply could not afford it, And yes the new built MB 5 is not a replica as it must have at least 3% of the original, And as it stands there seems to be nothing left of the original 😡 , But it does look nice 😉 , Cheers for now, Phil. (P.S I am having my own battles with M.S. at the moment and did a 50min walk today (just made it), Must try to keep the fight going been 12 years now but I must say I am nackered, I will try and stay on this forum for as long as I can Thank you all) Tally Ho! Phil. 😎
Keep fighting the fight Phil 😉
Yep – Arm Waver is spot on (I’m a Lawyer and the new regs are already provoking problems) Whitley Project – dump digs are great – am sure you and i have done our fair share in the past, the problem is two fold –
1) the dump has usually been burnt – ok asbestos is fire resistant, but does degrade after being in a fire! nevermind effects of time etc
2) watch the water table – if you disturb nasties, such as oil, heavy metals lead etc when digging, then they will leach into local streams etc – the landowner will be majorly ****** off if the Environment agency trace it…not normally a factor on aircraft crashes (small amounts of nasties ok)I know that all this Health and Safety gubbins is annoying but they can and will clobber you…so be careful….never mind the rusty stuff, the morphine phials we came across on one dig (thousands of them) were also worrying…..made the dig go quicker though. Man.
Thanks Texantomcat
I am a bit on the worried side and the authorities are already involved. I have visions of chunks of Whitley being sealed in containers and buried or some-such nightmarish scenario. We’ll see how it pans out and i’ll keep you posted.
Elliott
It seems unlikely but I suppose it is possible. I still lived in the south in 1987 and I’m sure it would have been on the news or in the mags.
I remember reading a book by, I think, Paul Gallico many years ago and it said he’d removed ammunition belts from a crashed Hurricane in the woods somewhere around where he lived. IIRC, the author lived at Down in Kent which as the crow, or Hurricane, flies isn’t a great distance from Biggin Hill.
Hi DHFan
That will be Tom Gleave’s Hurricane which exploded over Biggin in August 1940.