Aegis systems: AN/SPS-49, AN/SPY-1/2/3, SM-2/6/3, ESSM, RAM, CIWS Phalanx vs Ashm (Anti-ship missile): Harpoon, Exocet, YJ-82/83/Noor, Kh-31/YJ-91, Moskit, Yakhont, Kh-22/Kh-SD, Brahmos I/II, LRASM, Granit, Bazalt, DF-21D….

The weakness of the SM-2, ESSM is dependent on the radar AN/SPY, they use SARH mode, so this is possible weaknesses when many ashm attacking at once
http://www.ausairpower.net/Analysis-Regional-ASCM.html

Another important thing, shipborne radar can be affected by the sea clutter. Although not to the degree of risk than airborne radar
http://books.google.com.vn/books?id=vAkFCnbHKw0C&pg=PA268&lpg=PA268&dq=radar+clutter+sea+look+down&source=bl&ots=UzOZ_7AR2r&sig=snshekPW6QP_jh8NfwQZCoAS8i0

Here we use only 1 ashm to attack DDG

Platform
DDG-51 Flight IIA (DDG-79) vs Type 45, Horizon, Type 052C/D, F-14A/F-4 (Iran), JH-7, Su-30, Sovremenny, Tu-22M3, Su-30MKI, DDG-51 flight III, Kirov, Slava, vehicle base….and a few submarine platform

For DDG-1000 no top radar / radar tower (AN/SPS-49) should be completely eliminated in this match

Results:

Aegis systems vs Harpoon: Aegis (very easy), because of Harpoon speed is slow, its lowest range is only 124km, SM-2/6 is easily shot down it (first stage)

Aegis systems vs Exocet: Aegis (aleatory), but with difficult routes and low altitude Exocet Block 3 (180km), aegis will need ESSM and CIWS to beat it (Last stage)

Aegis systems vs YJ-82 & variants: Aegis (risk), because the scope of Exocet clone has improved more than the French Exocet, YJ-82/83 is 120-220 (surface-launcher) /250km (air-launcher), low ceiling 5m, improved Speed (Mach 2 for YJ-83). Was beat the Phalanx system (using variations Hezbollah export C-802 assault ship INS Hanit in 2006).

Aegis systems vs Kh-31/YJ-91: Aegis (hard), because of the Kh-31 speeds up to Mach 3 range 70-250km, YJ-91 (50-120km) speed is Mach 4.5. U.S. Navy failed each test SM-2 interceptor version bought from Ukraine or Russia Kh-31/MA-31 ago. But ESSM, Phalanx can be a lucky shot with a Kh-31 or YJ-91 mean with Kh-31/YJ-91 attack alone

Aegis systems vs Moskit: Aegis (very hard), similar to the results of the Kh-31, but it will be difficult for ESSM, RAM, CIWS because P-270 has great maneuverability up to 10G and 7m in height for the last phase of the attack.

Aegis systems vs Yakhont: Aegis (difficult) or Yakhont , similar to the results of the P-270, 300km range, Mach 2-2.6, will also cause difficulties for ESSM, CIWS

Aegis systems vs Kh-22/SD: Aegis or Kh-22 similar to the results of the Yakhont

Aegis systems vs Brahmos I/II: Aegis (extremely difficult) or Brahmos I, Brahmos II certainly defeat aegis. Because BrahMos II (range 300km) reach Mach 7 speeds, radar AN / SPY can not continuous tracking targets such speeds, the ability to intercept SM-2/6, ESSM, RAM, CIWS absolutely zero, time to prepare to intercept it can not match the ESSM or SM-2ER mach 4 Blk 4 Mach 2.5-3.5. Ramjet engine maintains the speed of Mach 7 at any altitude and flight journey Brhamos I / II

Aegis systems vs LRASM: Aegis or LRASM. Supersonic speed, low RCS, guidance multi system and complex way, LRASM is the answer to BrahMos and is a threat to any ship, similar BrahMos

Aegis systems vs DF-21D (first ASBM): Multi guidance systems (Satellite, UAV, radar active of warhead, optical, INS) , multi-warhead, the warhead strength of 500kt, max speed mach 10-11 (terminal phase), 3000-5500km range. Aegis + DDG absolutely no chance of survival. SM-3 Block IA / IB / IIA / IIB is the only hope.

To against missile Ashm high speed, need to use the AEW / AWACS or top radar similar MR-331 Mineral (support OTH mode). And the defense system efficient operation together (radar AN/SPS + AN/SPY + SM-3/2/6 + ESSM + RAM + CIWS) . Some weapons platforms like Klub (3M54, 3M14) anti-ship missiles for submarine Kilo, torpedoes supersonic VA-111 (Aegis can not against torpedo, Cheonan is a prime example)

high speed doesn’t always equal shorter reaction time adam
again SPY-1 radar height of about 17 meter above the sea
P-270 Moskit in sea skimming mode fly at 20 meter above the sea thus the radar horizon is 35 km , Moskit reaches Mach 3 at a high altitude and its maximum low-altitude speed is M2.2 , so in sea skimming mode it take 47 seconds from detection until missiles hit
http://fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/missile/row/moskit.htm

P-500 BAZALT in sea skimming mode fly at about > 10 meter above the sea thus the radar horizon is 30 km , P-500 reaches Mach 2 at high altitude , while low-altitude speed is Mach 1.5
so in sea skimming mode it take 59 seconds from detection until missiles hit
http://www.vectorsite.net/twcruz_7.html

P-700 GRANIT in sea skimming mode fly at about > 10 meter above the sea thus the radar horizon is 30 km , P-700 reaches Mach 2.5 at high altitude , while low-altitude speed is Mach 1.6
so in sea skimming mode it take 55 seconds from detection until missiles hit
http://www.vectorsite.net/twcruz_7.html

also BrahMos according to their officials website can reached mach 3 , however cruise altitude is 15 km ( only at terminal phased it reduced to 10 meter)
thus the radar horizon is 522 km so it take 513 seconds from detection until missiles hit
http://www.brahmos.com/content.php?id=10&sid=10

AS-16 Kickback climbs to an altitude of about 40,000 m (130,000 ft) and then dives in on the target, accelerating to a speed of about Mach 5 , thus the radar horizon is 841 km so it take 496 seconds from detection until missiles hit
http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/russia/as-16.htm

Kh-22 In low-altitude mode, it climbs to 12,000 m (39,000 ft) and makes a shallow dive at about Mach 3.5, making the final approach at an altitude under 500 m (1,600 ft) thus the radar horizon is 468 km so it take 394 seconds from detection until missiles hit
http://www.fas.org/nuke/guide/russia/bomber/as-4.htm

Kh-20 Flight ceiling 20 km thus the radar horizon is 600 km, it have Speed of Mach 2.0 so it take 885 seconds from detection until missiles hit
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kh-20
http://www.testpilot.ru/russia/mikoyan/kh/20/kh20_e.htm
http://www.globalsecurity.org/wmd/world/russia/as-3.htm
DF-21 will give aegis like 30 minutes of warning because it a ballistics missiles

NSM ,JSM ,RBS-15 block III , EXCOCET block III , Harpoon in sea skimming mode fly only 1 meter above water thus the radar horizon is 21 km , with speed of mach 0.95 it take 65 seconds from detection until missiles hit , in reality the ship may not be able to detect the stealth missile by radar and have to wait until it come to visual horizon about 18 km aways thus they only have 55 seconds to react
http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=4S3h8j_NEmkC&pg=PA529&lpg=PA529&dq=mach+0.95+nsm&source=bl&ots=hJSsPU2Zd_&sig=7N5SfMaK-fmvAiIDXqzhQ4mtvUo&hl=en&sa=X&ei=XyY1VI_BLJPIggTypIDwBw&ved=0CCoQ6AEwAQ#v=onepage&q=mach%200.95%20nsm&f=false
http://members.home.nl/7seas/radcalc.htm
http://forum.keypublishing.com/showthread.php?131952-Which-is-the-best-anti-ship-aircraft/page4&highlight=
many other point you missing such as BrahMos II not existed yet and ramjet doesnt mean you can fly mach 7 at any altitude ,Aegis is an anti ballistic missiles defense system , it was designed to deal with mach 15-20 ballistic missiles so mach 7 is really nothing significant
P-270 was never rated for 10 G , it would be miracle if it can do 4G
MR-331 Mineral is not a OTH radar, it can see over horizon when super refraction effect occurred due to special weather conditions ,but all radar can do that , that doesn’t really gave them any advantages because super refraction is very very rare to happened and super refraction doesn’t allow you to get fire solution so it can only served as early warning

among 4.5-5 gen fighters , F-35 sell very successful despite it’s high price

countries buying F-35 : USA , United Kingdom , ITALY , THE NETHERLANDS , TURKEY , AUSTRALIA , NORWAY , DENMARK , CANADA , ISRAEL , JAPAN , SOUTH KOREA
countries buying Eurofighter : GERMANY, United Kingdom, ITALY, SPAIN, AUSTRIA , SAUDI ARABIA
countries buying Rafale : FRENCH , INDIA
countries buying Su-35 :RUSSIA
countries buying F/A-18E/F: AUSTRALIA , USA
countries buying F-15E : ISRAEL , SOUTH KOREA , SAUDI ARABIA ,SINGAPORE , USA
countries buying MiG-29K : RUSSIA, INDIA
countries buying F-16E/F : UAE

a bit delayed response, but I just had some time to read the thread.

I do not disagree with all you stated. You are downright 100% correct on some of them.

Seeing things with a cool level head and from a different perspective is helpful sometimes though.

The whole thing has been derailed completely. Personally I do not know how good the F-35 is going to be, I do however have significant concerns about it and about all the “theoretical” advantages it brings. I will name a few so you can see where I am coming from.

* Currently all of the western front line fighters are extremely expensive. I never said the Rafale or the EF2000 are cheap. I actually always believed they are way too expensive. You now have : Rafale, Typhoon, F-35, F-22 and Grippen/Grippen NG. NONE of which is affordable in any meaningful sense of the word.

*Stealth for me is a complicated and somewhat alarming issue. When only one side has Stealth then that is OK even if the benefit is marginal (claims are that it isn’t).
What if both sides have stealth? The fundamental flaw in that reasoning is that proponents of the F-35 feel that only US radars will be able to pick up other stealth planes. A flawed and dangerous logic. If the rhetoric is true and radars of any design are useless in picking up VLO targets in reasonable for BVR and safe distances, then what is the benefit of stealth in a world where both sides have it? You are effectively returning air combat back to WWI when pilots had to do visual interceptions (IRST in our case).
If you argue VLO is good for strikes and deep bombing runs then you must think that air defence radars (L-band) may not have resolution sufficient enough to direct missiles at a VLO target, but can bloody well tell you someone is coming and indeed from a good long distance away, enough to scramble fighters, just as one always did even before good VLO, so we are back to square one.

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VLO is like having a gun or a sword in street fight, sure, if both sides have it equally then neither side have advantage, but the thing is if enemy have VLO aircraft and you dont then you have really big disadvantage, so your suggestion in using normal fighter instead of VLO fighter is unreasonable, what you said like saying if we have gun and enemy dont then we have advantage but if both side have gun then neither side have any advantage, so what the point of having a gun
and everyone say Lband is more effective again VLO aircraft, but to what extent? if F-35 have RCS = -40 dBsm in Xband then what will be it’s RCS in Lband? , if that is
-30 dBsm then i have to say Stealth still very effective
and yes F-35 is less maneuverable than EF-2000 or Rafale or Jas-39 but by how much? it sustain turn ability is worse but how about roll rate?, roll acceleration? , turn acceleration?, nose authorities… etc and not to mention HMD and HOBS missiles make agility much less relevant in WVR
( btw there was a test done with F-5 vs F-15, it show that in WVR gun dogfight when number of both side increase, then the performance of each individual aircraft matter much less)

That line of reasoning is similar to a claim that 400 km/h top speed of a sports car is better than 320 km/h. Hard to argue with that… That logically means everyone should be buying only Bugattis and Hennessey Venoms from now on.. Nevermind the fact that highways in most countries are restricted to 130 km/h.

BTW, got your Veyron yet?

not the same though, radar in real war conditions will almost always have to faced jamming, clutter, low RCS targets
the sooner you detect enemy = sooner you can climb up and accelerate to faster speed which is always true, very different from your sport car example