BomberboyAahh, but you’re making an assumption that the lack of synchronisation was either deliberate or due to ‘crew error’. Just playing devil’s advocate here but I’ve got another ball to add to the playing field: What if the reason is technical? Perhaps the technicalities of the German constant speed units and variable pitch props was such that they easily strayed from the set rpm?
I would be less likely to believe this explanation than the very subject matter in the first place.
I really cannot see how the Germans would have manufactured ‘unreliable’
CSU’s that are a straight forward piece of kit!
I’m not saying that this was the case but we shouldn’t rule out any options unless they are proven to be wrong. There seems to be a lot of circumstantial evidence but as JDK points out there isn’t a guilty verdict yet.
Likewise it isn’t proven because it’s not the reason!
Bomberboy
Bomberboyhttp://warbirdinformationexchange.org/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=17579
Blimey!!!!
When I saw this but 10 days ago-ish, it had only been unloaded in pieces the day before and now it’s already running again!
I was however under the impression that like his one at DX, it does not have any kind of certification for flying status.
I could be wrong of course!!!
Nice collection of motor cars in their as well!!!!!
Bomberboy
BomberboyDoes anyone know of any other aircraft that has “handed” engines?
I have spent a lot of time in the last year in a number of turboprop twins and
Jetstreams certainly have their props counter rotating.
Port = Counter Clockwise
Stbd = Clockwise
Can’t quite remember if the Do 328’s or the ATR 72’s do or do not though.
As for multi-engine sync’ing, i’m sure that all methods discussed here are used in one form or another, but I would suggest simple looking at RPM gauges are the most likely reason.
I too have heard about the ‘stories’ surrounding the un-sync’ing of the German multi’s during the war.
These stories were borne by commenters saying to me that with the nature of the way sound travels, unsyncd engines much like tone pitches were supposedly very difficult to locate.
Think of it like this, a barry boy with his big bass ICE system at full pelt is very hard to locate on the ear ie; on the whole one only really notices the source of the bass sound once one has had a recce at all the cars nearby and spots the ‘likely’ culprit by the look of the car.
High frequencies are also very difficuly to locate but the high-mid to low-high frequencies, also pushed out by ICE systems, are very directional, ie if you are not in line of the emitting cone of the speakers emitting the noise, you tend not to be able to hear it.
That is not the same for low frequencies such as bass.
The low/frequency throbbing emitted by the Germans would lead me to think that they would fit in with this category.
This of course is all my own personal opinion ahving thought about it.
Bomberboy
Bomberboy
BomberboyPagan, i am new to this forum so please forgive me if there you have received a personal reply about your FW-190 query already, but it belongs to the American collector Tom Blair and is one of the new ones being built by Flug Werk in Germany. Because we don’t have an ‘experimental’ category in this country, its not allowed to fly here, but the last i heard Mr Blairs engineers were going to undertake an ‘engineering audit’ (whatever that is!!!) to see if the CAA will allow it to be flown- if not it will be on its way to America (fingers crossed, they will!!)
Actually, I think you’ll find he already has one there as well!
Bomberboy
BomberboyFantastic!
‘Live’ Shacks around the globe are doing surprisingly well it would seem.
i wish we haad one back in the air in the UK?
Bomberboy
BomberboyInteresting thread particularly revolving around Hanwell, lead me to remember that there was a small ‘scrapyard’ somewhere near the Viaduct pub along the Uxbridge Rd………………and in there was a mounted radial engine.
I remember seeing it, but don’t remember if I took any photos or not.
I then started to wonder if there was a connection between the two?
Bomberboy
Bomberboya lot of noise from nothing again. today the B17 is based at Melun villaroche (77) and is in maintenance from what I have learned . one day may be it will be based at la ferté, not in 2007/08. will probably fly again in 2008, i hope.
all the problem about the situation of the B17 is due to the lack of info not given directly by the B17team forteresse volante.
yp
That’s strange, I could have sworn that the link to the other thread on the other forum lead straight to a posting by ……………wait for it…………a member of the FTV, although how active a member that person is, I have no way of knowing.
That said if you definately know something different then say so and don’t use words like “from what I have learned”, “one day maybe” and “will probably fly again in 2008, I HOPE”
Unfortunately your posting offers nothing ‘solid’ to dispel the very rumours that you are trying to say are unfounded!
All i’m afraid I read are your own hopes and wishes.
I would of course like to think that she will still be able to operate as a flying aircraft, having spent many an hour enjoying the drone of her four (and on one occasion three) wright cyclones.
Bomberboy
Bomberboyre: the remains of the IGN fortress. I believe that a good chunk of them went to the National Warplane Museum, in Geneseo, NY. I was talking with some of the guys there in 1989, and that’s what they told me. They pointed to some B-17 control surfaces in their hangar and said that they had come from this particular fortress. Not 100% sure this is correct, but it made sense at the time.
Cheers,
Richard
They, or whoever does have the remains, don’t have the rudder!!!
Initially, and IIRC, there was some discussion between the film company and the insurers about buying the salvage and sort of offering it to Sally B, but then the scrappy Roger Windley bought the salvage.
That said there was an agreement that a few items could be removed for Sally B.
Bomberboy
BomberboyRe the forum guy who was in the B-17 that crashed. Was that Bomberboy?????
Steve
Indeed.
Ollie, somewhere in your website it states that no-one was hurt in the crash, I am afraid that is not correct.
Just about everybody recived some kind of injury and there were two people who received quite nasty injuries which meant a spell in Grimsby hospital.
Some ‘interesting’ accounts and some nice photos on the site.
Bomberboy
BomberboyDon’t the French have something like our own BBMF? If not why not as that might be a way forward here if it gets any worse for our own sally b.
Unfortunately the BBMF would have no interest in a B-17 as this is obviously predominately identified as an American bomber, even though the RAF did operate them.
Albeit in rather smaller numbers than compared to say the B-24.
They do of course operate the Dakota which is an American built aeroplane, but of course as we all know, was very widely used within the RAF.
For the same reason, I could not see where the French ‘MOD’ would operate a B-17.
Bomberboy
BomberboyOne of the Firemen from Lincs Fire Brigade was covering for emergencies at the time and was interviewed on local BBC news (Look North), and had footage of it, some of which was shown at the time.
Tim
I wonder if that is the same fireman that got a knock on his door early one morning from the boys in blue?
Bomberboy
BomberboyHaving had numerous flights in this lovely old bird (one of them very ‘interesting’), I feel very sad and gutted that this looks like the end of the Pink Lady’s flying days.
It is something that has been mooted by them for a good couple of years now.
What makes it worse is that Pink Lady had her wings removed for inspection of the main spar attachments, to effectively dispense with an AD that affects all airworthy Fortress models.
I wish there was a way that this could be avoided, but don’t see where it could come from.
It would be great if a ‘Richard Branson’ type would take her under their financial wing, but even this is not as it appears.
If I am correct, there is a general beleif that Branson funded Sally B when this came up for her a couple of years ago.
Alas and as I understand it, it is a misconception that this did actually take place, but I believe an offer was ‘sort of ‘ extended but on a ‘if only absolutely necessary’ basis, but I really do not know if these are the full facts.
They are my interpretations of the discussions I have had with certain people that do know.
From a publicity point of view, RB seemed to get oodles of it for what purported to be the right reason.
That said, there have been other individuals that have made substantial contributions over the years and lots of others that have made equally important smaller donations and which have chosen to keep a more subtle tone on what they have done.
Bomberboy
BomberboyMy dad did his gunnery training at Predannack……..in Ansons.
Then moved onto Liberators at St Eval with 53 sqdn.
Bomberboy
BomberboyI have seen asbestos sandwiched between two aluminium skins in both a mark V spitfire firewall and and on Anson mark 1 firewalls, but I have not seen it used in the same place on US designs of the same period, so I assume this was a uniquelly UK design strategy perhaps adopted in the late 30’s by particular UK manufacturers like Avro and Supermarine or alternatively required via RAF specification? to lengthen the withstand of an engine fire?
I think you’ll find that US WWII aircraft have quite a bit of asbestos in them from ducts to firewall seals and sandwich joints.
Bomberboy
Bomberboy303rd BG colours sounds good to me!
With a bit of extra money available, I would think that ordering a replacement spare would be a sensible move.
Bomberboy
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