snafuWas debating whether to put this on the Canadian Lancaster visit thread on Historic…just in case.
snafuNope, no trickery on my part – there was only one generic type of ship referenced by that term, so you are right. (Hope you knew the answer, rather than looking it up on the net…!)
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HMS Wellesley was launched in Bombay in 1815, built by the East India Company at a cost of £55,147. She was a 74 gun third rate ship of the line, and during her service captured Karachi, in 1839, and took part in the first Opium War (1839-42) which lead to the British taking control of Hong Kong. Despite a common misconception, she was actually named after Lord Mornington – Richard Wellesley, the elder brother of the Duke of Wellington – who had been Governor General of India between 1798 and 1805 and Foreign Secretary from 1809 to 1812.
Her longevity (125 years old when she was sunk) was almost certainly due to the fact that she was built from Indian teak. Although this would have made her heavier than a similar ship built from oak, she would be much stronger; after an exchange of gunfire with shore batteries at Chusan she was found to have 27 Chinese cannonballs embedded in her sides. Teak exudes a natural oil which prevents rot and helps preserve. If she hadn’t been sunk by the Luftwaffe in 1940, much to Lord Haw Haw’s delight, she would probably still be with us today.
Reminds me of the other survivor of Trafalgar that was deliberately sunk that same decade…
snafuPoor old Nigel – from party leader to the right-wing political equivalent of the man chasing round Horse Guards Parade after Trooping the Colour with a dustpan and brush…!
UKIP leader Nigel Farage has visited a Thai constituent and her husband to apologise after another of the party’s MEPs described her as a “ting tong”.
Always someone else’s mess, eh Nigel? But I bet his roses are lovely! ;o)
snafuTell us a joke, a pun or a quip, Charlie.
snafu” Hitler, one of the biggest tyrants…”
You disagree, herr Grün? As an apologist or just trying to rehabilitate him out of the goodness of your heart…?
By some distance, still not in the league of your hero Uncle Joe !
Erm John, I don’t have an… Or are you talking about one of the other mass murdering, dictatorial 20th century tyrants I mentioned?
Don’t refer to me by my first name. To you, I am either, and preferably, ‘Sir’ or Mr. Green.
Was quite unaware that you had a knighthood, but those are not your user names here, John. Next thing you’ll be demanding we all genuflect in your presence…!
Sorry, does my use of your first name annoy you, John? Does it, John? Does it?
I do not number any of the time expired far left among my acquaintances
No, of course you don’t. You want to associate with the sort of creepy, ‘un’ racist wacko’s who embarrassingly blunder about passing ‘certainly not, oh no’ racist comments about people of other ethnicities and praising Hitler… or UKIP as they’re widely known.
Jonny g i do wonder every so often whether you are playing a character for laughs.
If it’s not for laughs, Mr sir snafu352 (see John, I can do it!), then it must be his confused incompetence – he’s started to mix us up!
I don’t need to play anything ‘for laughs’.
You provide all the humour (unintentional) on these forums. Your admitted ‘higher education’ seems to have given you some advantages: Your grammar, syntax, your superb ability to develop an argument, sustain a theme and include a critical faculty point to a towering intellect of Euclidean proportions and logic.
That’s an example of my humour !
John, I’m over here, John!
I know we all sound the same to your delicate yet easily confused sensibilities but you keep making your ‘hilarious’ educational quips at me, not him! Maybe you should take a little more water with it and stay out of the sun… (That was intentional)
And if you are giving us an intentional example of your best stand up routine I think you’d be better off sticking to the usual offensive knob gags and Jim Davidson-level jokes about the skin colour of ethnic minorities whilst wearing your favourite fake toothbrush moustache: John, you just are not funny (as per Robin Williams Good Morning Vietnam).
Another wonderful example of a right-wing joke that failed:
UKIP MEP Janice Atkinson uses ‘outrageous’ term for Thai woman
Comments made by a UKIP MEP about a Thai constituent have been described as outrageous by the woman’s husband.
South East MEP Janice Atkinson described Fa Munday, a UKIP-supporting mobile food seller in Ramsgate, Kent, as a “ting tong from somewhere”…
…Mr Munday said “ting tong” in Thai meant that a person was mad and the comment had come as “a bit of shock”…
FAIL as the young people say, but maybe you could incorporate that racist term into your next rib-tickling performance, John!!!
snafuNo, because it doesn’t exist – but the RNHF does…;o)
snafuIf it was from Stanley could it have come from a Pukara.? There were a few of those scattered around the airfield at the time
But would the Argentinians have helpfully have put instructions in English on their aircraft…?
I knew Nick Taylor as he was attached to the British Army detachment at Suffield, Alberta, Canada in 1997 where he flew the Beaver. I remember him as a thoroughly nice young man.
Different Nick Taylor – this one died when his Sea Harrier came down over Goose Green in 1982.
snafuI believe the Mk IV Swordfish in store (and in lots of bits) at Stafford is a former RAF machine flown in Canada with enclosed cockpits for patrolling in low temperatures…
Flown for the Fleet Air Arm under the administration of the RCAF, never by the RAF, for training with 1 Naval Air Gunners School (NAGS), at Yarmouth, Nova Scotia.
For the interested, from a very interesting site site:
By 27 February 1944, the station had the first three Swordfish Mark IV on strength. These were locally modified Mark IIs with a totally enclosed coupé top, the rear gunner having a clamshell-type door which opened to the rear to enable him to have a clear field of fire for his Vickers K gun. These modifications to the Swordfish took place throughout 1944, on Modification Order No. 408, and the Swordfish were taken on strength from Dartmouth, N.S., being flown down to Yarmouth with open cockpits and modified there to have their cockpits fully enclosed.
In addition there was another slight variation which went officially undesignated:
The Lysanders had originally been used as target tugs, but the story around the station was that they were too fast (!) for the Swordfish and some of the Swordfish, eight in number, were modified with target towing gear. In this aircraft, only the pilot had a totally enclosed cockpit and nobody knew what mark to call these modified Swordfish because the Admiralty never assigned one to it. They were referred to as Mark IVAs but this was never approved as a formal mark number.
snafuSo please tell us snafu if it is consistent to let Israeli/Australians back into the country that have seen military service in the occupied territories? They have blood on their hands as well and it’s State sponsored. There are literally thousands of young Australians returning to Australia after doing Israeli military service. What is the difference?
My answer? I despise religion so those who go abroad to fight on religious grounds shouldn’t be allowed back anyway, but I can’t see that idea being very popular with anybody with a smattering of Hebrew!
A difference between those doing Israeli military service and fighting in a civil war on the irregular side – I guess that the Israeli trained soldiers are, well, trained and disciplined and (hopefully) not expected to go off on a one way suicide mission afterwards, although it would appear that both sides have been brainwashed into thinking that they need to fight for their theological mindset rather than what is right for peace and their community.
So back to the Australian Muslim boy and the Australian government – what is happening?
snafuAlso if this isn’t a piece of Sea Harrier, but specifically it was claimed to be a piece of XZ450 (the first Sea Harrier to fly), then perhaps we ought to be a little suspicious of some of the evidence that it is what it was claimed to be. The colour of this panel could be changed, but that seems very unlikely in this case, however stencils and decals can be added to a part (and part numbers can be removed)?
XZ450 was allocated to 800NAS aboard HMS Hermes on the voyage south and, along with all the others onboard, was painted extra dark sea grey overall at some point between April 10 and 16 (brush painted although there are some who say the SHar’s were also painted using mops…). They were brush painted (apparently) because the ancient air con couldn’t cope (unlike that on the younger HMS Invincible) but the advantage of this over spray painting was that the paint was thicker and therefore more resilient.
I feel that had this been from XZ450 there would be some sign of the EDSG paintwork still visible on it…
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The wreckage of XZ450 at Goose Green, rather than Port Stanley as the caption claims
Incidentally, XZ450 had been wired up for the Sea Eagle trials; the Argentinians when searching through the wreckage found the Sea Eagle panel in the remains of the cockpit and, the speculation goes, decided that the missile must be operational and decided to keep nearly all their shipping in port…
snafuAs usual, you twist and turn, trying to get away from the fact that you attach more importance to the existence of the photo than you have regard for the child’s wellbeing.
The child’s wellbeing… What can we do about it? We could send a delegation to the Syrian embassy and demand that they do something, or write to our MP’s and make similar demands. But I am at a loss as to what YOU ALL think we can do, sitting behind our screens, mainly in Britain, so why not enlighten us as to what we must do.
So just sit back, and make no comment on it.
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Well, good for you; about 25 years ago, I was asked to take photos of a stillborn child, in his coffin, or the mother, due to the hospital’s complete disinterest, would have had nothing by which to remember him, which I did, so keep your lectures to yourself.
Actually done that too, as a favour to a neighbour. Was rushed in and out in under a minute; got the impression that the staff would like us to keep quiet about it, but that was over fifteen years ago.
My ‘lecture’ was more to illustrate that one news group had a modicum of concern about exposing a member of staff to a potentially grisly situation, whereas another seems happy to spread it to the world.
I would expect that it had to pass inspection by the newspaper’s legal team.
You would, wouldn’t you…
This image is being used with the frenzied chest beating and Muslim bashing by Oz conservative politics to tighten the laws concerning Australians going over seas to fight as “Terrorists” in various flashpoints round the world. Since the Boar war people have been leaving the shores of Australia to fight other peoples wars. Will the Oz Government be stopping young Jewish Australians from going back to fight in another countries military (Israel) in an illegal invasion and occupation force?
One mans freedom fighter is another mans terrorist, both come as volunteers and State sponsored mercenaries.
A law stopping people is one thing, actually carrying out such an act might be racially unworkable (as in ‘you are white so you can leave the country…but you are brown-skinned and a Muslim, so you can’t!‘). Since you cannot even trust a return ticket I would guess that a government might have felt better about letting potential freedom fighters/terrorists/mercenaries/ordinary citizens leave if they had their family with them…
So please tell us, Student Pilot, what does the Australian government propose to do about this child and his parents? I’m guessing that it might have something to do with waiting until they turn up in a country with an extradition treaty with Australia?
RM still a sensationalist then ?
Anything that gets his product talked about is fine by him. Was it the picture or the front page that was shown?
In my mind these people are just giving these Muslim fanatics what they crave the publicity to draw more fighter’s to their twisted idea of how the world should be, what makes me laugh is all these so called fighter’s fighting for their cause don not realise that if these Muslim jihadists get their way and the world does become a Muslim world ? all the things they take for granted will be binned in an instant from their freedom of speech to the clothes they wear.
To be fair the picture, as I understand it, was not released by any Jihadi PR department but taken from social media.
snafuBut which Swordfish?
snafuStrong winds in those parts…;o)
snafuIf it is wreckage from the Falklands Conflict, could it be from Stanley Airfield? Islander etc? [exposes own pig-ignorance]
A list of the various types that might have been found or were wrecked on the Falkland Islands by 1982:
BN Islander
DHC Beavers
Cessna 172s
Whirlwind HAR9 (XM666, which ran out of fuel and ditched whilst carrying AVTUR on 17/10/1969. Stripped hulk left at Salvador Settlement but was still to be seen in 1982)
Doubt it’s any of these, but…
snafuAs it wuz flying over it prompted the thought… “why didn’t I buy the Airfix-kit version as a kid ?” 😀
Anyone know “if” the Airfix kit is much kop ?
Depends how you like your drastically overscale external detailing… Lots of rivets and grossly oversized reinforcing plates as I recall.
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