It appears only to apply to Kalashnikov built AKs.
Sorry to butt in on what appears to be a private argument…but my understanding is that if any money – royalties under licence or whatever they call them now – goes back to Kalashnikov then then that would count in this matter.
Its been alledged that the BUK SAM missile system was taken from a Ukrainian base which was over run a few weeks ago. Now if correct how would they know how to use it?
It would take weeks of training etc in order to work how, unless of course those using it had previous experience.
Of course, if you ‘borrowed’ a few Buk trained patriots, who would willingly give up a few hours of their time (with permission from their CO) then you wouldn’t need to train rebels…;o)
The black boxes won’t tell us where the missile came from or who launched it.
But it will tell us that the airliner was operating normally up until the point of impact, that it wasn’t a mechanical malfunction that brought it down.
Maybe they are, but in such circumstances I always ask myself ‘why would they?’
What possible advantage could Israel gain by deliberately targeting innocents?
Who knows, but those boys were targeted; the site was, apparently, utterly devoid of anything that might be considered a target so maybe the Israeli’s were using them as an exercise?
The same is true for Israel deliberately targeting a hospital but here we are discussing it because it definitely happened; or did it? If you were a reporter could you tell the difference between an Israeli shell landing on the hospital roof and a Hamas shell (or a rocket)? Could you tell the difference between an Israeli shell and ten kilograms of high-explosive? Because the hospital is in the Gaza Strip any shell that lands on it HAS to be an Israeli shell, doesn’t it.
Regev queried because another report by the same reporter had indicated that, at a different hospital, he had heard nearby outgoing shells – the query was whether this was the same hospital or the same event. The hospital that was being shelled was at 3am and the reporter could apparently see the shells coming in from the sea.
There is little point in making stuff up in a war zone – there is way too much going on which is genuine for you to spare the time to create fiction, and unless you are really good at it you are going to get called out on something you cannot defend. On this occasion Regev was flustered, he was stuttering and repeating previous answers; he looked thoroughly lost and I could see that he was having difficulty countering what he was being asked.
Robert Fisk anyone, for starters?
I believe that Fisk has suffered at the hands of both sides over the years, but only one side decided to make that intervention personal.
Well, that is positive.
Can Moscow access them?
Can Moscow be trusted with the information if they can?
In a different field…
On Wednesday, Israel shelled children playing on a beach, killing four.
I have just watched (on a video, in an interview where C4’s Jon Snow wiped the floor with him) the Israeli governments spokesperson, Mark Regev, claim that this was a tragedy but that the Israeli military does not target civilians or children. Ok, I am sure that Hamas would claim the same as well, if they were interviewed (although I doubt they would, really).
He claimed that Israel’s military has sophisticated targeting hardware, it can pick out precisely where rockets are being fired from. Yet the Israeli’s are firing at children on a beach. They also fired shells at a hospital where there was no rockets being fired from – Jon Snow mentioned that their reporter (Jonathan Miller) was interviewing a doctor when shells came in and that there had been no firing in the time that he had been there; Regev denied that they would fire at a hospital, that the reporter was confusing the situation.
Neither side holds up to scrutiny when it comes down to it – I am fully aware of how many rockets Hamas have fired and where they have landed. But Israel has the technological advantage yet appears to being using it to target innocents, whilst claiming to be able to pinpoint launchers and surgically remove them.
I guess no one will admit to having a regard for Hamas, but with their ‘precise’ targeting do you have any sympathy with Israel?
Not to belittle what has happened… but approximately the same number of people have been killed in Gaza in the last 10 days.
Or, over 100,000 have died in Syria.
Not trying to belittle them but…the people in Gaza and Syria are in internationally recognised conflict zones: you might not be happy about it but if you are there you know there is an element of danger. The people on this airliner, on the other hand, were probably unaware that they were flying over a war zone – that is a concern for the authorities to answer to – and the (hopefully) last thing on their minds was that they could be the target for trigger-happy bozo with a SAM system at his disposal.
Do you really think whoever did it, did so on purpose?
The design of these weapons makes an accidental firing so near impossible as to be unlikely, and you don’t fire a SAM missile for giggles and then say ‘sorry!’
A tragic accident is far likelier, barring a technical fault.
What sort of tragic accident, like someone thinking that they are firing at a military aircraft when in fact it is a civilian airliner? That ‘sort’ of accident?
Suspect No.1-Russia has history with doing this –
Russia fighters shot down a couple of South Korean airliners 30+ years ago. Not quite the same.
Suspect No.2 – Ukraine forces – On purpose to drag Nato into the conflict same as the shooting down SU-25 accusing Russia again,
Possibly, but the quickly deleted tweet (or whatever it was) from the head rebel claiming they’d downed another transport at about the same time the airliner was shot down is a pretty big pointer towards:
No.3 – The Separatists to drag Russia into the conflict as they appear to be losing ground to the Ukraine regular forces.
I seriously doubt the rebels would be able to convince Russia to do any more than they have already done, but stranger things have happened. Yet their claim not to have anything but portable SAMs is diluted by the above, removed, admission tweet and the Buk mobile SAM systems they captured as witnessed by an Associated Press reporter. But if a bunch of farm boys (or whatever) are unable to operate such technology then that points the finger at undercover Russian troops.
In addition, the hacked phone calls (as yet unconfirmed) between Russian agents and rebel leaders about the shooting down could be another smoking gun. Putin trying to pass at least some blame on to Ukraine by saying they should take some responsibility could be paving the way for some sort of admission of guilt (or responsibility), after the guff about his own plane being near the Malaysian airliner over Poland so maybe he was actually the target…
Apparently taken down by a SAM.
Why is the Ukraine, a war zone where a Su25 was shot down yesterday, still open to commercial overflights?
Just for info:
29 May 1941
FAA, 700 Sqn, Sheffield, air crash
BROOKS, Brian P H, Lieutenant, MPK
NEDWILL, Philip A, Lieutenant, MPK
SAVILL, John L, Act/Leading Airman, FAA/FX 72294, killedSheffield, air crash
MARJORAM, John W B, Regulating Petty Officer, C/MX 40184, DOW
There are one or two books out there that could help, but the most helpful thing would be knowledge of the fathers name.
Looking through my copy of Air Britain’s Fleet Air Arm Aircraft 1939-1945 for the surname Lawrence came up with nothing for that period, although the book is (understandably) not fully comprehensive. It might be that local knowledge of the area and incidents, which I don’t have, might be of more help.
The He 178 was the first successful jet-engined powered aircraft.
Indeed it was but, as I said above, the He 176 was a different aircraft with a rocket engine.
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He 176
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He 178
The survivor has been determined to be V2; a few sources claim that V2 first flew 8th Feb 1945 and was subsequently dbr in a bad landing, others that it never flew at all. NASM believe their BV155 V2 to be +90% complete and unflown.
Which is the true story?
No, sorry. I’m more confused now than ever, but I’ll try not to lose any sleep over it!
Meh. ;o)