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  • in reply to: Converting the FAAM Avenger? #837691
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    Since there was never an AEW Avenger in FAA service I don’t believe 849NAS has one as a mascot – you aren’t confusing it with a Skyraider are you?

    I don’t think there are many museums in Britain – especially not the big ones who seem to rely on donations of airframes – that could afford to buy a full size exhibit, not even one held in a reserve collection, abroad, with a proven connection to the service the potential buyer represents. Buying Winkle Brown’s medals would probably not be possible without the assistance of the Lottery Fund, who might decide that medals are not that necessary for a museum so what point an old aeroplane?
    Cynical, me?

    The FAAM’s Avenger was painted for the D-Day 50th and really should have been repainted after the celebrations were over, although they are a penniless national collection who are probably hoping this coat of paint would suffice for a few more decades. But…a little investigation (something I remember doing at the time I made my notes and came up fruitless) found this post on Britmodeller from October last year:

    I spoke to the boss of the FAAM a few years ago to mention that there was a very rare, probably unique example of an original WW2 vintage Royal Navy Avenger sitting in the Smithsonians Silver Hill Storage Site and wondered whether he would be interested in making a bid for it to be displayed at Yeovilton,…..so I was surprised when he said that he already had a D-Day Avenger in the collection! Quite shocked I said that the museum`s aircraft was a post war variant without a turret fitted and he then said that they were considering fitting a turret to bring it back to WW2 configuration!!! When I said that it still wouldn`t represent an operational WW2 British Avenger as it had started off as a post war AS.4 which was based on the TBM-3E variant and only a few TBM-3 based Mk.III`s actually saw service towards the end of the war and were definitely not used during D-Day,…. he just have me a dirty look and walked off!

    http://www.britmodeller.com/forums/index.php?/topic/234989488-grumman-avenger-as-mk-iv-suez/#comment-2126222

    …which strikes me as the sort of thing clueless museum curators in this day and age would say and do.

    in reply to: Canberra WH949 – Maralinga Atomic Test Connection?? #837728
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    …Indeed some of the RAAF Lincolns (on the same sort of job) were so hot that they were simply ‘sunk at sea’!!!!…

    (Four exclamation marks – surely a sign of madness?;o)

    They would have been not the only ones. Grumman Avengers on board HMS Warrior (the operations control ship) were involved in the Grapple 1-3 tests as part of the collecting samples and ferrying them back for testing; they were ditched overboard after the carrier sailed for home.
    [There were initially three Avengers allocated to Warriors ships flight – XB320 998/J, XB386 997/J, and XB439 996/J – but XB320 lost power on take off2/5/1957, ditching in the Pacific close to the carrier. XB386 suffered a heavy landing after failing to flare out and bouncing before taking the wire, 3/3/1957, and being judged beyond repair. Both XB386 and XB439 were disposed of by catapulting overboard 27/7/1957, as both were apparently contaminated (even though XB386 was not airworthy by the time the artificial sunshine lit up) and it wasn’t worth transporting them home only to decontaminate them before scrapping both. XB386 was marked Aloha and XB439 was marked SNLR – Subject No Longer Required.
    Don’t know anything about the Dragonflies and Whirlwinds also used.
    Interesting thought: the ‘fin code’ J had been allocated to HMS Warrior but was reallocated to HMS Eagle, yet in 1956-57 was, at the same time, in use again on Warrior.]

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    One of the contaminated Avengers being ditched at sea

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    Avenger XB386, marked Aloha on the side, after being ditched

    in reply to: General Discussion #253432
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    Never…?;p)

    in reply to: General Discussion #253435
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    I guess they were not the graves of Dutch hero Doorman and his 900 sailors.

    in reply to: German bomb found in Portsmouth harbour. #837951
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    Anyone identify it from this?

    in reply to: Airline Abuse #473839
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    (Tongue in cheek) you could always take it up via the Sun newspaper…;o)

    in reply to: General Discussion #253438
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    It would have been a little quicker if I hadn’t kept getting interrupted. But then one of the interruptions led me onto the criminal reporter.

    Think this might be bad for Clarkson et al…

    in reply to: General Discussion #253446
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    Hampden98 – sorry. I went back and realised that the story just says it was torpedoed, and I’ve been back and forth over the Wiki page a few times, knowing it had been sunk by another sub and assumed that this was all on the page. Once again, sorry.

    On 23 September 1944 U-859 was running on the surface, within 23 nmi (43 km; 26 mi) of Penang and the end of her voyage, when she was intercepted in the Malacca Straits by the British submarine HMS Trenchant, which had been forewarned of her arrival date and route by decrypted German signals.[8] In difficult conditions with a heavy swell running and a second U-boat thought to be lurking, Trenchant’s commander Arthur Hezlet carried out a snap attack using his stern torpedo tubes, hitting U-859 amidships. The U-boat sank immediately in 50 m (160 ft) of water with several compartments flooded, and 47 men drowned, including her commander.

    Twenty of the crew did manage to escape however, opening the hatch in the relatively shallow sea and struggling to the calm surface. Eleven of the survivors were picked up by HMS Trenchant immediately following the sinking, and the remaining nine were picked up by the Japanese after being adrift for 24 hours and were taken ashore to await repatriation.[9]

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_submarine_U-859

    The Allies were determined that cargo of important stuff was not to get to Japan – there had been blueprints and aero engines sent, amongst other things, so it would be important to make sure that German submarines did not get through, even to the point of trying to track them down using Allied subs, essentially giving away the fact that the Ultra codes were broken should the U-boat be able to report the utterly coincidental interception(!).
    It could be, thinking about it, that the cargo manifest was not known and there could have been on board uranium, beryllium, thallium, zirconium and other bits and pieces apparently needed for atomic enrichment/production (none of this is understood by me, the names are familiar-ish but the stuff could have just as easily been used to make gonks to hang from Japanese rear-view mirrors if you are relying on me for intricate insight) as well as mercury.
    Maybe the West German government was trying to destroy any possible evidence?

    If this stuff was on board what would happen to it when the sub was sunk? And what would happen to it over the near 30 years of sitting on the bottom in a wreck?

    in reply to: General Discussion #253449
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    What film ?

    The film described in post 1 asking what film it is.

    That one.

    (Doncha just hate…etc)

    in reply to: General Discussion #253560
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    …;o)

    in reply to: General Discussion #253570
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    IDS ?

    My point being that one is more likely to be what you proclaimed than the other, it just being not the person you revere…

    in reply to: General Discussion #253591
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    Doubt that…:o(

    in reply to: General Discussion #253593
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    Although IDS is more a likely go between than Farage, wouldn’t you agree John?

    in reply to: General Discussion #253691
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    Dinnae worry about it Snaff – when I first moved to England as a 12 year old – during my interview with my new headmaster – he said to me very nastily ‘ I hate Jocks’,but spookily enough it did not scar me for life,and did not give me a lifelong hatred of the english,you get the good, the bad and the ugly wherever you go in life – he was just a fat useless slob.

    You don’t want to worry that someone in Britain who presumably identifies themselves as English/British cannot identify a Welsh accent so assumes the speaker to be Polish?
    Well, that’s alright then – for you.
    Don’t worry, pass on by, nothing to see here, just a little casual racism masquerading as banter from people too wound up in belief imbedded by certain parts of the media that foreigners will steal your jobs, rape your women, eat your dogs.
    Other people will see that there is something wrong with a society that has dropped to that sort of level: where does such belief start?
    Where did you get the idea that, for example, Mexicans are lazy and feckless? What about all the things about the French character? And the reaction throughout the world about Trump’s election success – you could be forgiven for thinking that, by their response, he has become president of the world, especially when the front pages of the national press here have concentrated on the US election over important yet more local stories.
    Yes, the media informs you. But who protects you from the media’s attempts to politically push or pull you, influence your mind and inform you of their agenda without giving you the alternatives?
    The Daily Mail gives you what they want you to hear and, with the top viewed newspaper website in the world, it is worldwide and a big influence. And dangerous, because lots of other newspapers ‘steal’ stories from them without confirmation of the facts. That is just how it is.

    (Just spoken on the phone to someone who mentioned that a call centre, used by a bank or insurance group who proudly boasted that it was based in the UK, kept getting bad mouthed by callers for exporting their call centres to India or Pakistan – when they had tried to help the UK economy by basing themselves in Wales…)

    You must spend your life on social meedja and reading all the leftie cryap to (presumably) believe all of the bollix you post on here

    Nope – do you spend all your time on Facebook, whatever, reading all the nazi rubbish and believing it all implicitly? I must say that a lot of the foreigners I have met tend to speak English with more thought about what they are saying, surprisingly fewer ‘ums’ and ‘ahs’ – and invariably they can correctly spell words like ‘media’, although it doesn’t seem to have held you back.

    – get a life man and go out into the world and see what a nasty place it can be as opposed to the soft life we have here in the west.As I said previously the west has to toughen up considerably otherwise our children and grandchildren will not have the nice lifestyle we currently enjoy.

    I know what a nasty place the world is, and that Britain is a paradise compared to some places in Syria, but our lifestyle will become less comfortable in the future: example, can your kids afford to start out in the housing market – if the answer is no then were you able to when you started? There are well paid jobs out there that cannot support attempting to get on the first step of the housing ladder in their area – but the Daily Mail will inform you that this is due to migrants…;o) Mind you, the Daily Express will just rake up another Princess Diana story to distract the rabble, if an alternative is needed.
    But if you want to go and ignore, maybe even encourage, what the under informed believe then that is your concern…

    Ah, time and the job get the better of me. Got to go and leave this hanging, as far as I am concerned.

    in reply to: General Discussion #253710
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    Not my sphere; that was why I knew they didn’t have anyone else.

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